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JTawa |
A lighter look at the college rule changes for 2008 |
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UniversityAthlete |
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Ok,
That's pretty funny. Told our club team about the rule changes last night and they were disgusted and offended. |
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bluknight |
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that's one of the funniest things i've read in a long time. this year should provide some ...uh interesting discussions....I remember when the 1st
contact rule was enacted at the college level and some players joking about getting out the grill for hot dogs and having a watermelon seed spitting
contest...it's still a running joke with them and i can hear the groans now as i picture some middle making an "athletic play" with her salad
tongs
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VBDad0927 |
It won't be long.... | ||
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I really don't mind some rule changes in sport. I couldn't care less if we all them sets or games or scrums or whatever. I couldn't care if the
game lasts 30 or 25 points. What I do care about is when they take away the skill asociated with the game. Basketball is a perfect example of what happens
when skills are thrown away for exciting plays and athletic moves. Players can no longer dribble, shoot outside jumpshots with any consistency or hit free
throws, but boy can they slam dunk! You hear how the game is played above the rim now and that athleticism (how high can I jump) and height are the most
important thing coaches look for. They killed the GAME and made it into a slam dunk contest where we keep score.
Sooner or later the same will happen to volleyball. It won't matter if you can't tie your shoelaces if you are 6'5". Setters will become a thing of the past and we'll add another tall wall to the front row. It won't matter, just getting to the ball after the aweful pass (shanked by another uncoordinated amazon, but thats first contact and we don't count that) will be considered an athletic move so when she slaps the ball in the vicinity of the net so that another amazon can crush it to the ground, the crowd will cheer. Of course there will be no hope that the ball will be dug because any players with the skill to actually react to the spike and dig the ball will be playing somewhere in a small JuCo. But this will be entertaining! The only redeming factor in all of this is the fact that the SETS will only be played to 25. The pain will be over quickly. By the way, anyone who thinks that this will be good for the game just needs to look at professional sports to see how "good" it's been. Skill is no longer paramount, we judge players by how they excite us. We turn the other way when they take drugs to enhance their performance. We could care less that they choke their coaches if they score 30 points a game. Abuse, rape or murder someone? It doesn't matter because they are excellent players and might be one of the best in the country. We want them on our team don't we? Take the skill and dicipline out of the game and sooner or later it just becomes a circus. P.T Barnum would be proud. |
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frogface |
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My daughter has made a verbal commitment to a D1 school for 2009 as a setter. Does this mean that she doesn't have to keep going to the extra setting
practices? Maybe all she has to do is work on her altheticism and all will be forgiven. That will sure save us some time and gas money!
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TRANSFORMEER |
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frogface wrote: ....I'm sure the coach or instructor you daughter is working with is aware of the changes and will incorporate the change into her workouts. Maybe add
baseball gloves on both hands; tape all fingers and thumb into a fist; or watching a film from Sea World where the seals spin balls on their noses....although
being a card-carrying
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onuzim |
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Loved it! But I have to ask about the Jason Castro comment. Is his talent being compared to Sanjaya of the previous season? Admittedly he is a bit passive in
his vocal talents but he has come around to possibly being considered good. I think those eyes of his have taken him a long way. But speaking of lulls, he has
provided a few this season.
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kiserrick |
Let's not stop there!!!! While we are in the mood! | ||
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Let's make Volleyball even more exciting!!!!!
Keep the Libero BUT…since this is a quick kid…have them run OFF the court immediately after the pass and bring in a back row STUD to hit if needed….once the ball goes back over the net, that STUD will then run OFF the court and the Libero comes back in. We'll call it the TOUNGEWAGGER RULE.
Everyone rotates EXCEPT your Outside Hitter.
Allow the setter to be both BACKROW and FRONTROW at the same time BUT she must YELL "FRONT" if she is playing front row and must yell "BACK" if she is playing back row.
Once the game…oops..set… gets to 19points…the team behind will be allowed ONE BOUNCE until they catch back up.
If you pass the ball with your HEAD and it is in the perfect zone…you get a free ½ point. Once that individual accumulates a total of 4 ½ points…your team is awarded ONE FULL POINT.
Let's change the term PANCAKE to PANFRIEDCAKE…...that's a lot more accurate.
Once per match…all 6 players are allowed to block at the same time…It's called the GREAT WALL OF HOLY CRAP rule!
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Torami |
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You forgot to mention the "piggy-back attack", designed to make best use of the new setting rules. The middle hitter sits on the setters shoulders,
making anything she does a bonafied athletic move. The setter catches the pass, gets into the perfect hitting spot, and tosses the ball up to the hitter for an
easy kill.
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expertidiot |
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All I know is that it irks me to no end when I see referees call 13 year olds for double hits that they would never, ever call in college, and I'm not even
talking about the "new, even more relaxed" approach. This is one of the single biggest issues in refereeing at the USAV level, in my opinion.
A lot of USAV referees simply do not seem to understand that a ball can easily spin off of two hands without it being a double contact. But in any case, why should calling double hits get more relaxed as players get older (and presumably, more skilled)? |
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Torami |
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I suspect that this rule change will "filter down" to club in the form of fewer doubles calls. And humor aside, I don't think that is a bad
thing, in part because it doesn't seem to have hurt skill levels in the countries that adopted a looser interpretation long ago, but mostly because not
calling sets as tight will result in greater -consistency-, which for me is the prime directive. One of my pet peeves is doubles calls based entirely on spin,
which is a total cop-out on the part of the ref. Fortunately, I've noticed much greater consistency at the NQs and Nationals than here in our region, where
you never know how the sets will be called. One exception was a match at SoCal last weekend, where a girl was setting like she was on the beach, and wasn't
ever called for it.
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MyNameHere |
Double Hits and Player Age | ||
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The problem with all the discussion about ball handling is that nobody wants it called the same way.
Half the coaches I talk to want the refs to "let 'em play" at the younger age groups. After all, volleyball is supposed to be fun, many of these girls are in just their first or second year of playing, and younger girls don't always have the upper body strength to set well. In short, calling doubles discourages players from using the skill they've been practicing. Half the coaches I talk to want the refs to call the doubles at younger age groups. After all, they'll be expected to execute the skills cleanly as they get older, not calling doubles on a poor setter provides an unfair advantage to the lesser-skilled team, and the players don't work hard to fix their setting mechanics unless they realize they'll be called during a match. In short, calling doubles encourages players to practice the skills they'll be using. All I know is that it irks me to no end when I see referees call 13 year olds for double hits that they would never, ever call in college, and I'm not even talking about the "new, even more relaxed" approach.Chances are good those officials either don't work many college matches, or they have adopted the second philosophy above. A lot of USAV referees simply do not seem to understand that a ball can easily spin off of two hands without it being a double contact.Apparently, then, even less coaches understand that. I'll quit calling the sets that spin wildly when the coaches quit screaming at me for not calling it. I'm very aware that a ball can be made to spin in a number of different ways without it being a double, but for some reason when it involves an overhand setting motion, there's an expectation by coaches that "if the spin's bad enough, it must have been a double" - even if that spin is in the forward direction. This may not be from every coach, but most coaches (regardless of the ruleset or level of play) feel cheated when the other team sets a ball with much spin and it isn't called. But in any case, why should calling double hits get more relaxed as players get older (and presumably, more skilled)?Calls shouldn't change (too much) by age. One problem is that each venue (high school, club, and college) places a different expectation on what is called a double. The change in college rules is intended to narrow that gap somewhat, bringing women's college ball more in line with FIVB (and, by extension, USAV). I would say that it appears to get looser as players get older because it's being called too tight at the younger ages (most specifically, high school, but sometimes at the younger club age groups as well, as noted in your first comment). |
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dawgnit |
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It's too subjective. Last weekend, one ref called two hits on beautifully set balls that didn't move, and then another ref that called a two hit on a
middle that tipped it over using one hand. Probably the worst call I have ever seen.
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