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River Ranch |
Missing school for Club Volleyball |
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I think it is wrong, but our hands are tied if your child wants to play competitive club volleyball. Teams that attend several qualifiers miss several days of
school. What message does this send? Anyone else have an opinion?
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JTawa |
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It is an unfortunate byproduct of the current system. BUT, most volleyball players are very accomplished academically and have learned discipline and time
management through the sport.
On balance, it's a positive thing, but it means your kid won't win any perfect attendance awards. |
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TxMom |
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I agree. My daughter knows if she doesn't keep her grades up, she doesn't get to play. It's great incentive. I always thought I'd have a
problem with it, but I find I am fine so long as our club doesn't go too crazy (they have not).
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Vintense |
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The irony is that many of teams that travel the most, have a number of the best players, who will get scholarships to attend schools at which they will
probably miss some classes due to volleyball!
My perspective is that I want my kids to get the best education possible and that is a mix of experiences and opportunities that may enhance the time in any one specific building. The risk of missing a little of classroom time is inarguable but the potential to learn something is still there. Selfishly though I never enjoyed watching my daughter take a Geometry or English test and I would rather watch her play volleyball. And isn't that what sports are really about, the parents! |
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Shagdad |
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It is a balance thing I agree. My dd caries a 4.0 gpa and will have missed for 4 tourneys this year. She is a well balanced kid who tries to excel at
everything. I believe that the game has helped her focus on her development. to do this. We have an agreement school and grades come first. She actually gets
upset to miss sometimes because she has thought it out that a good scholarship is going to be based off her grades and other accomplishments. Coaches are
looking for girls who can handle their lives outside the game because it has been proved to make better full time players on the court with a mental capacity
to cope with stress of the situations the team is under.
So to answer your question I see the game helping my dd become a better rounded person in her life and as long as it does we will balance out all the schedules! |
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Barney |
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JTawa wrote:Hmm. I'm not sure I agree. There is certainly time management skills in balancing practices and weekend tournaments and academic schedules. That can be a positive thing. But tournaments that require kids to miss 2-3 days of school I don't think is a positive thing. Seems to me we are sending the wrong message to our kids: that a volleyball competition is more important than those two days in the classroom. I agree with you that it is a byproduct of the current system. Too many of us parents have come to accept that system and accept that missing school days is part of being a youth volleyball player. And let's be clear that the current system we are talking about is the USAV qualifier system. Are there other national youth sports organizations that arrange a series of competitions that require young students to miss so much school? I'm not up to speed enough on the JVDA schedule to now whether those kids are missing less school. I live in a region that doesn't participate in the JVDA. I know that my family has said enough is enough and will be looking for clubs and teams in the future that don't schedule tournaments that conflict with time in the classroom or at least limit it significantly. That will certainly limit our options, but it seems time to say enough is enough. |
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WIVBCRAZY |
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I work in a school and let me tell you, the kids in VB miss less school than your average student. To pull them out for 4-5 days per year is nothing compared
to the parents that miss the last week of the semester because they are taking the family to (insert warm location here). Or they miss the start of the
semester for the same reason - or both! Can't understand why their child has a lower grade, or an incomplete. Missing a week or two - no big deal. Long
weekends - why not. It isn't so much the volleyball climate as the entitlement attitude of the parents. School isn't going to get in the way of their
vacation time. The ironic part is this - in Wisconsin you are conisder truant if you miss all or part of more than 5 days per semester. When these parents get
letters you should here the phone calls from them since it was just a VACATION.
I will take our volleyball players missing a couple of days here and there any day. Most of them care that they are missing and prepare ahead of time to be sure they don't miss out. |
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Barney |
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Well perhaps I'm old school, but I was raised that school has priority over all other activities and that the only excuse for missing school is an illness.
I try to teach my kids the same thing.
The academic calendar in our district gives week or more breaks in November, December, February, and April, plus the summer break. That seems to be appropriate and adequate time for vacations, trips, and multi-day volleyball tournaments. Pointing to volleyball players who do well in the classroom as evidence that there's nothing wrong with the current system seems besides the point to me. It's the message of what we value that I think is important. |
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Coco Nuts |
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How about the High School fill in the _____, baseball, soccer, golf, lacrosse, etc...teams that all miss multiple half days and/or whole days to play those spring sports for their school? Any difference? Other than being school related? I agree grades come first, but if your DD is playing and competing at a high level, she is learning valuable lessons as well, about commitment, dedication, time management and hard work. Had my DD not missed 4 days of school for VB this spring, she would have exempted most of her final exams for this term, but now she'll have to take them. That's a sacrifice and a trade-off she is willing to make. And I support. |
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NYvbc |
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We're raising our kids to be well rounded adults (at least I try to do that). I don't for one minute believe that the classroom is the only way that
they grow and learn; and believe me, I'm a stickler about school. We don't watch TV from dinner time on Sunday to the completion of homework on
Friday. But, if my kids miss a day or three of school, they'll be fine. We (she) would know about the absence far enough in advance to ask about the
lesson(s) and homework ahead of time.
Life teaches us to balance many things. Balancing school attendance with athletic opportunities is just one of many such opportunities to practice a valuable life lesson.... |
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BJT3 |
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I have to agree with JT here. A large portion of the players do very well academically, and often miss less classes than the average student. It also helps
them with scheduling and balancing that they will have to do if they are planning on playing at the next level.
Of course it is a case by case basis, if the student-athlete really needs those days to keep their grades up, then it does take precedence. However, my parents had the "as long as your grades stay up" rule. I spent a large portion of my senior year skipping school to do other things because I didn't need to be there that often to keep my gpa up. I guess my statement/question is...Is there value in having a day of attendance that is not needed? |
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MB14DAD |
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If you don't want them to miss school, don't let 'em play Club. Period.
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Noreaster |
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Just curious how you all feel about field trips? I remember taking a Spanish field trip to see flamenco dancing, we went to the movies to watch hamlet on the
big screen for English, Social Studies class took us to the county jail. Ok, going to jail was actually pretty interesting but flamenco dancing and watching a
movie that I'd already seen? Also, the softball team left school at noon on game days to get a full practice in before each game.
I think you would get more from a weekend in Dallas or Indy, interacting with people from other cultures and locales. The point of school isn't to get scratch and sniff stickers on your papers. The point of school is to prepare a child to navigate the big world out there. Sometime reading about that world in a book IS NOT the best way to accomplish that goal. |
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Earl R Anthony |
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What I'm hearing is a lot of parents who have weighed the cost of missing school against the benefits from club volleyball and determined the benefits of
club volleyball were worth it.
I totally understand this. But maybe we shouldn't have to be making this decision. Maybe the system shouldn't be demanding this from us.
Last Edited By: Earl R Anthony
04/18/09 11:02 PM.
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River Ranch |
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While I agree with much of what has been posted -- especially that learning occurs inside and outside the classroom. I am a teacher and my daughters have been
missing school, for volleyball, for years. These volleyball days are quite often the only school days they miss the entire year. So yes, I do believe that
volleyball players miss less school than many. Our family is addicted to volleyball, is it one of the best team sports out there, and a ton of fun to
watch!!!!! I guess I just don't understand why other many other club sports don't need to have kids miss school. Basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming.
Why is it "OK" for volleyball? I still think it sends a confusing message. Also our team has always been a JO team, over the years we have had team
members have to miss JO's because of poor high school grades, thus had to go to mandatory summer school. We also know of a player selected for USA High
Performance who could not attend for the same reason. Granted many volleyball players are "smart"...... what about those really really hard working
"C" students who miss school for volleyball???? There are many of them out there.
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setters dad |
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Well perhaps I'm old school, but I was raised that school has priority over all other activities and that the only excuse for missing school is an illness. I try to teach my kids the same thing.I'm curious what age group River Ranch and Barney's daughters compete in and if they think they will have the opportunity to play college volleyball. The amount of class time missed during high school is nothing compared to college. Daughter plays a Friday / Sunday conference schedule so out of town travel means missing lots of Thursday, Friday classes. Combine that with classes missed during tournament travel at the beginning of the season, and that is a lot of missed classes - probably 50% of Friday fall classes. Working with professors, study groups and studying on the road is key. |
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BJT3 |
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River Ranch wrote:Some do, and some don't. A lot depends on when their club/school seasons are. I'm not sure about all the club sports, but I do know that many, including tennis and swimming, do miss school days depending on the competitive level of the club. |
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prophecy |
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I enjoy the exchange of conversation but I think it explains the drastic drop of competitiveness in our education versus education in other countries. We are
not even in the top ten in k-12 public education. It isn't just VB but the attitude of doing enough to just get by with our grade expectations. Do we even
care what our dd learns? For ones that participate in other sports as well the situation becomes chronic.
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River Ranch |
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My DDs play 17 and 13, and yes they may play collegiate ball.
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ATXVolley |
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River Ranch: I agree with you !! My daughter has been missing several days of school since 5th grade to play in club volleyball tournaments/qualifiers. She
has always notified her teachers in advance and made up all work but I still am not fond of missing so many days each season. I believe in a "well
rounded" education both in and out of school prepares you in life but I think volleyball has taken this to the next level. I have friends whose kiddos are
involved in basketball, soccer, lacrosse, baseball and football who never miss this much school..why volleyball? But, just a couple more years in club and
then off to college!
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annadanna |
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Earl R Anthony wrote:Hmmm. Most of the decisions we make in life involve tradeoffs... an evaluation of the pros and cons of the alternatives. The "system" is not demanding anything from you. It is a product that you can buy or not buy. |
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