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vbdoc |
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Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I don't know what course of action I'll take, but I'll continue to pray and sleep on it.
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sonnysetter |
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We had a situation like this a few years ago in our highschool (note not a club team) The coach was not at the party, 4 of the starting varsity volleyball
players got very drunk, the coach found out and imeddiatly took action no questions asked; this included extra workouts just for thoses players as in suisides
wall sits you name it and sitting the bench for the next 2 weeks at games. The coach didnt have super hard proof but said there shouldnt even be roomers like
that about varsity volleyball players floating around.
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willbdunn |
Separate Issues Here | ||
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Issue 1: As a parent, I worry and take care of my kid. I would not pursue any action against another kid, nor stir that pot, unless the kid happened to be
someone I knew and I was taking it up directly with their parent. But I'm not going to deal with a stranger's parent and I think that is who needs to
be front and center in addressing underage drinking.
Issue 2: Coaches drinking (and playing drinking games) with their players - as described in the original post. I would send an e-mail to everyone involved - coaches, club director, high school atheltic director. This reeks of immature, poor decision-making on the part of coaches. Its drilled into coaches/teachers heads from day one - you don't fraternize with players!!!!! I'm not saying they deserve to be fired, but if I were supervising them, I would have major problems keeping them on staff. |
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willbdunn wrote: But, how many young coaches do you see that truly understand that? That there needs to be a professional relationship.....not that you don't care
about the kids, because you do....but that the goal of coaching shouldn't be you end up with 10 18 year old friends.
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NCset04 |
Common Sense | ||
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Does anyone else think that no matter the age of the coach or the players really it should be common sense you don't go drinking with them. I am the first one to kick back and relax with parents and have a few at tournaments. The players may be there but I'm not lined up do take some shots with them. Coach should be banned from coaching for good players could probably and should be punished too, but this late in the season and at this age it is almost pointless. They have one tournament then for some it's off to college. The biggest problem I see is now you have we'll say a potential 10 future coaches that think it is okay to party and drink with players. |
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Our club has a rule that coaches cannot drink in the presence of any player even if the parents are there. They cannot drink at dinners or parties. The
coaches sign a contract to that effect and the parents are made very aware of the rule too. A call to our club director would result in an investigation and
if true, the coaches would be fired (supposedly on the spot).
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ryno007 |
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As a current 18's club coach and former college assistant, former club director (kudos to all that are current directors...there's a reason it says "former"), and a parent above all else, I'll provide my $0.02. As a coach, I choose not to drink in the direct presence of my players...direct presence meaning dining with them. If I am at a restaurant table with the parents, and my players are off in the corner eating by themselves, and the parents are ordering drinks themselves, I do not feel uncomfortable ordering a glass of wine; but if the parents are off by themselves, and I'm eating with my players, I pass. If the parents are nowhere to be found (i.e. a high school party where alcohol is present), then I don't have any business being there in the first place. My current club does not have a rule one way or the other (at least not that I've ever been told about); that being said, I feel like it would be irresponsible of me to conduct myself otherwise around a group of young adults. In college, we enacted the "Red-Yellow-Green Light" system, which is a story for a different day, but those players were often of age anyways.. As a director, I would have wanted to be informed if any of my coaches were in the situation described...but only on good authority, and good authority does not constitute "she heard, from this boyfriend of that player, that _____ was there". Good authority is subjective, and, as a person in your position, you need to use your own judgement as to how confident your source is. If the call to the director is warranted, which it sounds as if it is, I would meet with said coaches to discuss the situation. Their side of the story deserves explanation...perhaps they were invited to a graduation party, not knowing that it was only students and that alcohol was present, they left upon arrival, and the "playing drinking games" part was completely unfounded. Or the worst could be true, that they were invited, provided the alcohol, and showed the students the proper way to bounce a quarter into a shot glass. The prior is excusable...the latter should probably call for immediate dismissal from the club and possible report to the region by the director (depending on how active your region is in enacting sanctions...some I've coached in would want to know, others could care less...in the region in which I was director, the court of public opinion following the dismissal would have been plenty, and the region couldn't have been bothered). Or perhaps somewhere in between was the actual occurrence, in which case the director will earn his dues in how it is handled, both with the coaches and the players...I do not envy that director. As directors we are often asked to play the roles of administrator, confidant, adjudicator, and friend. The balance is not easy, and the decisions made could well affect those players and coaches long-term. As a parent (although my kids are still young), I would want to know about the presence of my child at the party. How I handled it from there would depend on her involvement, her actions, her honesty, etc. I am not in favor of legislating morality, but rather of educating such that my children make good, informed decisions about what they choose to do. Parents, and the manner in which they raise their children and instill values in them, can vary greatly, and it is not my place to judge what someone else deems appropriate or not. If you have, on good authority, that another parent's child was there, then informing them is not wrong...but let them decide what they do with it. While the actions in today's society may be sad in some people's eyes, they are true...you can deal with your daughter, let others deal with theirs, and let the director handle the players (it what they get paid the big bucks for after all [said with tongue firmly implanted in cheek]). So there's my diatribe, which turned out to be longer than expected. It was said before, as I reiterated here, that you need to be comfortable that what you understand to have happened, actually happened. If not, your actions could cause considerably more harm than doing nothing at all. And be prepared for the fact that consequences and fallout, although justified, may be much, much worse than you could have anticipated. |
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dbvbfan |
Common Sense - sometimes lacking | ||
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I think this makes the most sense. I'd want to know the Club Coach I send my daughter with is predisposed to also drink with her.
vbdoc - if you had knowledge of the party while it was in progress, that might have been the time to call authorities. Now, since the party is no longer in progress, I think a phone call to the Club Director and the parent(s) with whom you have a personal relationship is in order. I also might think about a call to the Regional office, depending on what role the coaches play in the Club leadership. Just my thoughts. |
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pooch |
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what part of the country do you live?
"things don't ever get better, unless you make them better" - Tom Murray, Roots
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Tigger1 |
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...advice...Limit your conversations to facts, not rumours. Talk directly to the board members or director, and allow things to unfold politically within
the club hierarchy. Leaving a paper (or electronic) trail would be unwise. It should be the responsibility of the board to investigate, and act. If you
don't have their ear, or support, it won't matter what your opinion is anyway. These issues require face-to-face discussion.
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vbdoc |
Pooch | ||
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I am west of the Appalachians and east of the Rockies.
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