So, let me see if I've got this right: All these teams go to AAUs, then a few days later, most of the same teams play each other all over again at JVDA?
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Nebraska Nostradamus |
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Posts: 348 (06/19/08 1:54 PM) |
not to overstate the obvious...but also part of the rationale for JVDA was to reduce travel and cost....right??
So x days in Florida.....followed by x days in louisville.
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The Governor |
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Posts: 15 (06/19/08 2:08 PM) |
going to Baltimore, Minnesota and Colorado and coming away with no open bid. Then off to Dallas with a regional bid. I would say that going to Florida then
Kentucky is going to be cheaper than going to those four places in one season, which one of the teams in your club did.
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Posts: 876 (06/19/08 2:15 PM) |
and no school missed to go to AAUs. unlike qualifiers.
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SSVB DAD |
AAU's and JVDA | ||
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Posts: 127 (06/19/08 2:20 PM) |
Why doesnt all the JVDA teams just play each other in the AAU Nationals and save money etc - why have a seperate tourney if not for more club directors to make
more money by creating more big tourneys - also could have achieved another supposed goal of the JVDA by ending season at AAU Nationals - so I doubt it is
really about ending the season earlier or saving money - really "appears" to be about more club directors being able to host more tourneys and make
theirselves more money.
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DaveBowman |
I don't get it. | ||
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Posts: 73 (06/19/08 2:38 PM) |
I do not understand what all the griping is about here. The AAU is just another tournament attended by both USAV qualifiers and JVDA bound teams. The same goes for the PrepVB Classic which had both. The kids are out of school, so lets play volleyball!! Some teams like the Orlando experience and others like the WI Dells water parks. To each their own. But it is all about preparing for their season ending tournament. |
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Nebraska Nostradamus |
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Posts: 348 (06/19/08 3:07 PM) |
I guess we wont count your trip to lincoln, dayton or big bend (none of which you had to go to enter AAU's or JVDA), Orlando and Louisville (I am sure I
forgot a few please correct me).
That team may have a National bid--but they earned it....you are traveling to an event without the prospect to qualify for anything. Just traveling to travel or for competition sake? The concept of reducing travel and saving money is great but until its followed by teams/clubs within why would others jump on board? When an organization states they want to reduce travel and save money but doesnt do that what are people to think?
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Posts: 184 (06/19/08 3:24 PM) |
Just got back to Louisville from AAU's and must say I was impressed by the level of talent this year! Rumor floating around was that there is a
not-so-insignificant group within JVDA that would like AAU's to be their season ending tournament which would quiet some of the neigh-sayers and dispel
once and for all that the JVDA is all about greedy Club Owners wanting to make an unreasonable profit. This group in JVDA is concerned, and rightfully so, that
the season is too long, these young athletes have very little down-time to heal, and that there is no need for a big tournament after the big tournament that
AAU's is becoming. (If you don't think AAU's is strong, just review the 18 open list of teams). What a great opportunity for the girls and for the
AAU's!
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VolleyballFan13 |
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Posts: 668 (06/19/08 3:29 PM) |
Wildblue,
I agree with you. While we didn't attend the AAUs, I like the idea of doing so next year and making that the last tourney of the year. IMO, it is the right time to end the season and the competition is very strong. |
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Nebraska Nostradamus |
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Posts: 348 (06/19/08 3:47 PM) |
That would actually make sense and align with mission of the organization.
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Posts: 321 (06/19/08 8:07 PM) |
I saw something in Orlando that made me wonder. This thread seems like a good place to ask the question.
First, I have nothing negative to say about this - at all. Okay. I saw the 14's and 15's teams from one of the top JVDA/midwest teams still in Orlando way past their playing schedule. When I saw them, I thought... hey, why are they still here? This is costing them a bunch of extra money. Why would a JVDA team have their teams stay two extra nights in Orlando, if they were truly concerned about saving money? Now, please, I find nothing wrong with this at all. But it is an inconsistency that I can't explain. |
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Expense? | ||
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Posts: 53 (06/19/08 8:15 PM) |
I know that many families will stay in Orlando a few days after the tournament to try to have a family vacation since most use all of their vacation time for
volleyball...this is one way to have both...also, some players have older sisters playing in the second session and have to stay for that reason
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Posts: 321 (06/19/08 8:37 PM) |
Logical, but this was clearly not the case here.
This was a "team" thing, and even a "club" thing, for sure. Every member of the 14's and 15's stayed the extra two nights. |
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ShamRocket |
A smart way to spend some of the money saved | ||
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Posts: 168 (06/19/08 10:37 PM) |
Most of the expense is getting to and from Orlando, so spending extra time while your there (either before or after) is an excellent way to reward younger
siblings who have been drug to tournaments all year. It's nice to know how concerned you JO guys are about how we spend our savings. Since one of the
reasons clubs go to qualifiers is to play quality competition, perhaps the savings will trickle down to you guys eventually. USAV won't be able to continue
charging champagne prices for a beer product.
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Posts: 321 (06/20/08 8:27 AM) |
ShamRocket, I'm not at all concerned with how much money people choose to spend on volleyball, vacations, amusement park tickets, or anything else. Spend
away, I say. It's good for the economy.
But it doesn't cost an insignificant amount of money to keep 4 entire teams in Orlando for two extra nights. Rental vehicles, meals, lodging, entertainment, etc. You have to acknowledge that it's a legitimate question for an organization that lists eliminating unnecessary expenses as one of their core reasons for boycotting USAV Nationals. No one involved with the JVDA has yet responded to "pepperpop's" article. I think one of the questions he asked was, "Have you really saved money?" Some of us who are both JVDA and USAV members don't really see how we would save money (and get the level of competition we desire) going along with the JVDA grand plan, which seems uniquely designed for the top clubs in the midwest. So when we ask these questions, and observe things like 4 JVDA teams spending two extra days in Orlando, we're really just trying to understand the facts, that's all. No need for anyone to get defensive. No axe to grind... no animosity... no negativity. Just discussion in the hopes of learning something that will contribute to good decisions down the road. So far, I still don't think it makes sense for our club to go the JVDA route. But maybe we'll learn something that will convince us otherwise. |
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Nebraska Nostradamus |
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Posts: 348 (06/20/08 8:31 AM) |
EI-nice question....and still no "real" response. Just another attempt at attacking or "spinning" things.
Sham-spend your money anyway you see fit. This is America. It just seems to me and a few other (apparently) that one of the main reasons for creating JVDA was to save money. Again---I think is great! USAV has flaws but they are not promoting the "best" system, you know what you get. Some like it and some dont. IMO JVDA has a little bit of a complex right now....I compare it to a "fat guy" who wants to lose weight. He wants to be skinny but eats a donut every day. Just wanting to be skinny isnt enough, unless you follow through with your diet and exercise it you are still the "fat guy" at the end of the day. |
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Posts: 18 (06/20/08 9:35 AM) |
You're right - this is America and we're free to make our own choices. Too bad the guy running USAV hasn't received that memo, but I'm sure
he'll figure it out soon enough.
It's as simple as this - if you don't see the benefits of JVDA or AAUs, stick with another plan. However, I can tell you this - my club got 5 more travel days this year (including AAUs and JVDA Nationals), which is great for our recruiting exposure, at the same cost as it was to travel to just 2 National Qualifiers last year. |
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Topperball |
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Posts: 29 (06/20/08 11:24 AM) |
I've read through several post about why JVDA. If you are going to JO's, go and have fun. Why are you worried so much about JVDA's. Perhaps because the competition will be just as strong, if not stronger, at JVDA's? I don't know. But what I do know is that some on here love to make argument for arguments sake. Change is inevitable. You enjoy your tourney, we'll enjoy ours. Don't be made becuase some teams don't want to come to your party. P.S. I have taken a look at a couple of the divisions at Jo's. I must admit, it is more watered down than some drinks I get at some bars downtown. Glad to be at JVDA's! |
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Posts: 32 (06/20/08 11:29 AM) |
E.I.,
I will be happy to answer how a club can have their four teams stay an extra day after the AAU's were completed. For the past 10 years our teams have attended the AAU Championships and have always stayed an extra day to go to a water park, Disney or to the beach. Each team has a rental home that is rented by the week which is cheaper than paying the daily rate so the cost to stay an extra night is $0. Each team also buys groceries and eats in their homes and usually ends up giving food away each year, so the extra cost for food is $0. We rent the vans by the week and already have a corporate account with a rental company so the cost for the van for an extra day is $0. Our last teams finished playing last night about 9:30pm and today all those players are out enjoying themselves and will fly home early tomorrow morning. Again, the extra day for them to be here other than what they want to spend at the water park is...............you guessed it $0! Rick Butler Sports Performance Volleyball Club |
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Nebraska Nostradamus |
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Posts: 348 (06/20/08 12:19 PM) |
You make me laugh....
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Posts: 321 (06/20/08 12:40 PM) |
Rick, thanks for the explanation, even though you owe none to me or anyone else. I was a little puzzled by what I saw, but now I understand it. Things are
often not what they appear.
I also hope you (and others) understand that I was asking a question about what I saw, not passing judgment about it. How and when others choose to spend money is their business. Our club and others will have decisions to make in the future about where and when to play, and how much money to spend to do it. The more dialogue we all have about it the better. It doesn't need to be an adversarial discussion. We all make decisions that we feel are in our best interests. I'm looking forward to reading the other side of the coin to the article that pepperpop wrote. Any chance you can prod someone into writing it? It can only help us understand what the JVDA experience has been like this year, and what lessons have been learned through it. |
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