You had the Vision 18 Gold team winning the National Championship. At the recent GLC Pre-National tourney they finished third behind two JVDA teams SPRI and Munciana. Mr.Tawa what were you thinking!!!!
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Ukie1 |
Mr. Tawa stop drinking the kool-aide |
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Looking at your "What might have been" article dated 23 May 2008, you must have been drinking kool-aide that affected your "Vision".
You had the Vision 18 Gold team winning the National Championship. At the recent GLC Pre-National tourney they finished third behind two JVDA teams SPRI and Munciana. Mr.Tawa what were you thinking!!!! |
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NerdusOperandus |
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That doesn't mean that Vision couldn't get it together at JOs. It's not like they finished last. One tournament doesn't set the rest of the
season in stone.
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TRANSFORMEER |
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...YAY! The prediction season has begun. The Board's version of the great arcade game "Whack-A-Mole" namely "Whack-A-JT" is underway!
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Ukie1 |
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Sure anything is possible. Once I loose 50lbs Anna Kournikova will marry me.
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NerdusOperandus |
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Vision winning JOs is a lot closer to reality than you marrying Anna.
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Ukie1 |
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Nerdus that's exactly the point. I hope they do win the "National Championship". It' just proves that at least 2 JVDA teams would better than
the "National Champ".
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Asst2theRM |
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Ukie1 wrote: I'd rather be drinking Kool-Aid than Haterade |
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Ukie1 |
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There is nothing but love in this thread. But you know what? I do feel a hint of insecurity.
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JTawa |
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Vision lost 16-14 in the fifth to Munciana and beat Team Z. They lost to Sports Performance.
There's no shame in any of that. If anything, it underscores my point that Vision could contend for and win a title even if all teams were represented. Just because they didn't win this one doesn't mean they wouldn't win the next. |
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MidwestGuy1 |
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There are probably 15 teams in the JVDA 18 Open field that would have a hard time winning a match in 18 Open at USAV Nationals. There is not much of a doubt
that SPVB is the best, but 2/3 of the JVDA field are club teams. I would say if you ranked the JVDA field in order and the USAV field in order and played 28
matches, the USAV field would win 20 of them.
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VolleyDad9 |
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I would say if you ranked the JVDA field in order and the USAV field in order and played 28 matches, the USAV field would win 20 of them.Now that should get the board going!
Fun? You mean Volleyball is supposed to be fun??
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MBVBMOM92 |
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I think Midwest Guy needs to stay out of the kool-aide.
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relativeyoungster |
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MidwestGuy1 wrote: Boy, I think that might be an overstatement....I think the top 12-15 JVDA teams are at least even with the top 12-15 USAV teams. I count 10 teams that played 17 Open last year(and that doesn't count SPVB or Munianca) and several that finished top 5 in National. Remember, some number of the teams in 18 Open at JOs this year are only there because JVDA teams didn't complete. |
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CNBC |
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What's a JVDA?
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VBBOOKWORM |
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I count 8 JVDA teams; 14 USAV; (and 6 not returning to Open at either contest) from the 2007 JRNationals Open Field (but am always happy to be corrected).
Using this baseline:
The 18 Open Field at USAV will be comprised of 50% (14/28) of returning Open Teams. The 18 Open Field at JVDA will have 24% (8/34) per the JVDA Website.
Average finish of Open Teams in the USAV Field from last year is 15th. Average finish of Open Teams in the JVDA Field from last year is 7th. (Taking only the Top-8 teams from USAV yield an average finish of 10th.)
Doing a quick look at the remainder of both fields, USAV will offer a more balanced and competitive match-to-match tournament based on the percentage of teams in the field that have some level of experience at Nationals (no brainer right?with 50% returning from Open last year and then including National and American Club teams in a restricted 28-team field.)
Looking at JVDA Field, overall the quality of the Top-Tier teams (8-10 maybe?) in Open are probably better than the USAV field but the competition level in the remaining field drops off significantly (some clubs sending their -2, -3 squads) to JVDA Open. This should equate to a very long first two-rounds due to significant play inequity.
My overall hypothesis would be that:
Playing the #1s, #2s, #3s and so on against each other would project to a 3-7 advantage to JVDA through the first 10 positions (close to what they accomplished in Open last year at JRNat) and then a 4-14 USAV advantage from 11 through 28 yielding an overall 21-7 (margin of error + 3 matches) USAV to JVDA match record, again due to the significant drop after getting past the top-tier JVDA teams which are impressive.
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GTvolley |
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I'm sure someone will tally the results of the match-ups after this week's big National events in Wisconsin and Florida.
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expertidiot |
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I don't get (or like) the "USAV teams" vs. "JVDA teams" thing. There are many of us that know how good the teams are that are
boycotting USA Nationals. (I got to watch SPRI 18's yesterday - awesome.)
What's the point of JVDA vs. USAV trash talk? There are many "JVDA member clubs" that are playing at USAV Nationals this year. In what category are you counting them? Many of us look forward to the day when ALL the best teams will be in the same place competing for the USA Junior Olympic Volleyball Championships. |
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Noreaster |
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Expertidiot,
I think the JVDA vs USAV debate has merit for when clubs sit down to decide where they are going next year. If the competition is that much better in the JVDA then it would make clubs stop and think about where their future is. |
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olddblueeyes |
Hmmm.... | ||
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" I don't get (or like) the "USAV teams" vs. "JVDA teams" thing. There are many of us that know how good the teams are that are
boycotting USA Nationals..."
As well as there being many that do not. The point of the board is to be a source of information in hopes of stirring discusssion, debate and in the process educating the volleyball community. "Many of us look forward to the day when ALL the best teams will be in the same place competing for the USA Junior Olympic Volleyball Championships." Suggest the wording be changed from "look forward to the day" to "dream of the day". My assessment is that in it's first year of operation, JVDA has enjoyed monderate success to build on in the future. I don't see the division, and assoicated points of disagreement, being resloved. |
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tresmariasvb |
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I think the JVDA vs USAV debate has merit for when clubs sit down to decide where they are going next year. If the competition is that much better in the JVDA then it would make clubs stop and think about where their future is.This debate IMO is a lot of wasted breath and energy because most clubs in the country will stay with a proven, consistent and trusted product. Clubs that replaced the JVDA renegades at Nationals this year will catch the "competitive bug", improve their training systems and will want to go back every year. Over time, these clubs will be just as good as the top JVDA teams while JVDA remains a regionalized and marginalized organization. They need to stop competing with USAV and instead try to complement it. |
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VbBEAR |
Hmm.... | ||
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...Oh boy...now you've done it. Batten down the hatches. Raise the Storm Warning Flag....
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