agballer98 wrote:

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Last year's tournament final: Westlake vs. Amarillo
Last year's state final: Westlake vs. Amarillo
Last year's Pearland Semifinals: Arlington vs. Westlake (which was a Regional Final last year)
and Cy Fair vs. Amarillo (which was a State Semifinal)
I don't think Plano West went to Pearland last year, otherwise we might've had an exact replica of the state tournament at Pearland 2 months early.
That's pretty dead on seeding if you ask me.

Coach Turner asks a lot of the coaches who they think will be the top teams in their area, so he doesn't just pull names out of a hat. He and his staff run an awesome tournament and they should be praised.

In the end, seeding doesn't mean a whole lot. In order to win a tournament, you have to beat the best.

They had to do some changes last year after the Duncanville Tourny, so they were able to get the seedings correct in August. They will likely do some changes again after the Duncanville Tourny.

I think the Pearland tournament has always been run beautifully. That is not what this is about. But I do have concerns on the initial seedings, which I think are very important for any team. I know the pools will (should) change when the pre-season starts, but these initial pools should be based on last year's performance, certainly not by going around and asking people who they think should be where. These teams have a history that they created last year and the initial pools should reflect that, and then changes should be made based upon the history they create during pre-season in August. Plus, if you are going to put these pools up this far in advance, then you should expect questions and/or comments, good or bad. I think they can handle it


You want to Seed - Place teams based on a Class Privilege method rather than on a projection of an expected Meritocracy for Fall 2008. Why do you want teams such as Dulles, Cy-Fair and Amarillo to ride into the Pearland Tourny and get higher seeds based mainly on the accomplishments of players who are Graduating now and won't even be in Pearland next Fall?

If you know a coach or parent or player from teams such as Cy-Fair, Amarillo and Dulles, ask them if they expect their respective team to be as strong as the one they had last Fall.

Are the Pearland Pools perfect? Probably not, but they (those Seeding - Placing teams) will likely have less revisions to make than they would if they followed your suggested method of Seeding.


To begin with, the State Champs are seeded third (overall), and the State semi finalists you speak about, ag, CyFair, is seeded 2nd in P9, behind O'Connor, who lost in the quarter finals.


Amarillo will be taking a huge Graduation hit, but will still have a deep pool of experience to draw from.

Cy-Fair is taking a huge Graduation hit and will be returning a small handful of Varsity players. Using your philosophy, the new Varsity players will be at the same level of play at the Pearland Tourny as the Graduating Seniors were at the State Tourny. If you honestly believe that is logical and realistic, then this discussion will go nowhere.

Not sure on the Graduation hit for SA O'Connor, but I think they have quite a few players that have had some notable accomplishments in Club Play and will be primed for the High School season.



In P2, Reagan is top seed and even though they did go to the region finals, so did Lake Highlands and they are seeded 1st in P12. Also in P2, Dulles went to the region semi's, but are seeded 3rd behind Cy Creek who didn't even qualify last year.


How much of a Graduation hit is Lake Highlands going to take compared to SA Reagan?

Dulles is in a similar situation to Cy-Fair and will return a handful of Varsity players.

Cy Creek will have some loss from Graduation, but they had some good underclassmen playing Varsity and should be better than Dulles.


P4, Churchill lost in the quarter finals, yet they are seeded first in P4. Also in P4, A&M Consol. played in the quarter finals too, but are seeded 4th behind Tomball, who lost in round 2 and Dobie who lost in round 1.


Again, it is a projection on an expected Meritocracy rather than on the Class Privilege that you favor.




P6, Friendswood won 2nd in the state (4a), yet seeded 2nd (in any pool). I'm sorry, but if you played in the state playoffs, you should be seeded first in your pool.


Who is this You that is referenced in the second sentence? If it is the players who were on the court in San Marcos last November, then quite a few will be unavailable to participate in Pearland because they will have Graduated. It takes more than uniforms and a coach from a tradition rich school to justify a # 1 Seed which is what you appear to be suggesting.



P7 & P8, top seed Martin went to the region semi's, as did Westwood (P8), also a top seed (I'm not arguing these seeds), but Magnolia also went to the region semi's and they are seeded 2nd in P15. This one is a head scratcher (24th overall?).

Westwood had a strong core of underclassmen while Magnolia depended quite a bit on Graduating Seniors.
Martin I am unsure about who will be returning on their Varsity and will refrain from commenting.


P17, FB Travis is top seed, but lost in the first round.


FB Travis is a new school and will be returning quite a few (likely almost everybody) next Fall.


I guess I just believe that these initial pools should be based upon the teams records of last season. Let the team's record speak for them, not what you think a team may or may not do this next season.


Forget the Class Privilege concept. The Teams that you recall so fondly from Fall 2007 won't always resemble the teams on the court in Fall 2008.



Who is projecting? How do they know what these teams are going to do? How can you tell what the future will bring each team? The fairest way, and I would think easiest, would be to make the initial pools (not final), initial, based on performance of the last season. It doesn't matter if it's club or not, graduation or not, the initial pools of a tournament that is going to be played for the first time the following season is usually based on performance of the last season. I never said they wouldn't change, but change based on how you do in the games and tournaments in August.


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Probably a fairly widespread group of people have had input on the Seedings.

Why is your Class Privilege method the fairest way?

Better to project like they did and have fewer revisions to do.



I understand "graduation", but who is to say that a team won't be as good? Some teams may end up better when all the seniors leave, just because their coach would only play seniors. Their whole team has now graduated, but they end up stronger.


There have been a few schools that have tended to play Seniors and kept a good underclassmen or two on the bench, but very very seldom will a team have an entire underclassmen Varsity bench better than the Varsity players (regular rotation) which is what you are suggesting.


But, how does anyone know until they start to make their own history. Club teams change too each season.

Probably on what the returning Varsity players and the incoming Varsity players did in Club play this past Winter and Spring.


For instance, Amarillo finished first last year, then they should be ranked first, etc, etc, etc. What they do with that ranking now is totally up to them (not some fortune teller). If they crash and burn in August, then their ranking should change accordingly. You will then be able to see what this team is bringing. With the whole month of August play behind these teams, they should be able to have a true reading by the start of the tournament, based on performance.

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