cruncher wrote:
I think back wistfully to bygone days when the big complaint was the 18's parents hogging this thread.
Ahh, the good ol' days. 
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soldiers never die they simply fade away.....
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lblazer wrote: Blazer, it sure looked to me like many or most of the "top" players did not attend youth tryouts. With the exception of two impressive middles-
one from PS and the 5-10 blonde- the talent pool seemed a bit thin. There certainly did not seem to be any dominant players at outside or setter. It seemed
that most of the top players were sitting out for either nationals- no UPVBC16 players and few WAVA15- or perhaps for either National HP camps, college
camps, high-school camps, beach, burnout, social life or cost.
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I haven't been around the select age group all that much, so I don't know how well it was represented. There was definitely some talent there.
I probably won't name names until the final list is posted. There were a lot of players I can think of that I would have liked to see at the Youth level. Your recap was quite informed. Either you were there (and didn't say hi ;-) or you have a great informant. My thoughts from the tryouts are that I could put together a very strong team from the talent that was there. I think the region will be represented well. It was nice to see 5 of my players show up too. I guess I'll post later. It was my first year being part of they High Performance program. The tryout reminded me of tryouts for my NW team this year. I had to sort through about 105 girls on a couple courts in just a few hours. Which brings up another topic... |
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Posts: 25 (05/20/08 10:30 AM) |
Tryouts...
Have you ever thought about this. I don't think I've seen posts on it, and it really isn't the "big" topic right now... From a coaches perspective. A high school coach has up to a week to run tryouts. Say it's 4 days, and they run "3-a-days". At two hours each, we're looking at 24 hours of exposure to your group. Even the lesser processes I've heard of still have about 12 hours exposure. Now the coach knows his/her players from previous years. There is a new wave of Freshmen, but I'm sure the top ones with club affiliation did their work and contacted the head coach already. I feel the coach knows at least 80% of the group coming in. So here's the formula: HS 12-16 hours, 80% knowledge of talent, 3 month season(if you go state) Club tryouts: I know NWJrs is probably the exception to the general as we have more teams than any other club, but I'm interested in your experiences. I had 105 girls to look at. I had to sort them on 2 courts (one was a "mix" court, so I really only had one to myself). I had 2-3 hours to pick the team (the other coaches had to have time to pick the groups after me, so I was pressed). I knew about 50% of the girls that came it, and that was only because I had been at Nevillizms all summer, and I spent any free time I could going to High School matches to visit the kids I had before, and find some new ones. I'd say 30% is a better figure. Here's the formula: Club 2-3 hours, 30% knowledge of talent, 7 month season How do parents see it. I think this would apply more to the younger ages as there is still a lot of switching going on. I remember talks about the 18's that moved around, and it seemed minimal to me. Just curious. |
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Posts: 121 (05/20/08 12:37 PM) |
Great question on the tryouts!
I'm not a high school coach but I would suspect that the high school tryouts last longer for a few reasons. At most schools I would suspect that the number of players with superior skill sets is relatively small and the coach really has to search for players he can develop. Also, since there is only a limited number of roster spots he or she runs a longer tryout to make sure that all the girls have a legitamite chance to show their stuff. Finally, most schools have to make cuts which means that that girl doesn't get to play yet still has to interact with those same girls at school. At the clubs most of the coaches and the girls know who is going to make which teams; either they are incumbents or they have been recruited. Additionally, the club tryouts do generate money, many clubs add teams in order to fit in as many girls as possible the coaches have to make quicker decisions. Now I have a question; are you as a coach aware if a player has had a bad attitude at another club, or do you make some calls to other clubs or coaches to get that kind of insight? |
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VKorchnoi wrote: LOL On the other hand, you do see most of these girls through the years and you can usually recognize the ones you don't want on your team. Some girls just
have bad attitudes and as you and I know...that is a cancer on a team. You could have all the talent in the world and suck badly if one or two kids have
"that" attitude.
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In general I thought the tryouts were run well, but I have a basic philosophical problem with the way HP is set up. I will say in advance, that I understand
the reasoning at the National level, but not at the local level. Don't happen to agree with it, by I do understand it.
The basic problem with HP is that, due to FIVB age groups, everything is done in two year bands that advance once every two years. So everyone that is in the Select group (1994 and 1995 birthdates, I am ignoring any 11s and unders with 1996 or above birthdates) will move en mass to the Youth group in two years. Two years after that they will all move to the Junior group. So the "odd year" players (1995, 1993 and 1991) will always be the youngest players in the group. This gives the even year players an inherent advantage in the HP process. As I said, I understand the theory at the national level, but I don't understand the region giving an inherent benefit to one group to the disadvantage of another group of players. To me the answer is obvious: select the participants in the HP camp by year instead of by two year bracket. So, for instance, the Select group instead of having 32 campers from that "band", have 16 campers from 1994s and 16 from 1995s and above. There would still remain the differences caused by using January 1st while everything else in club is based on September 1st (so "Select" spans U14 to U12 [U15 to U12 next year], "Youth" spans U16 to U14, etc), but that is a much tougher "nut" to crack. |
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I wish! I have given coaches in my club some insight on certain
girls. Some coaches don't listen too well though! 
