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VBinCP |
What states limit the number of players on a club team? |
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I know that in Indiana there is a limit of 3 players per High School program that can compete together on any one club team. How many other states have a
limit? It appears by looking at the 15's ranking, that Kentucky doesn't have such a limit...and I am pretty sure Illinois has no limit. How do you
think this affects the profile of a club and the strength of a club?
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Karl |
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Who is this rule protecting or intending to help? That would completely stifle the growth and participation of some high school players as entire teams and
clubs in Minnesota are comprised of kids that all go to the same high school. I run a 4 team club that has no participants that do not attend a different high
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We are required to have open tryouts, and anyone is welcome to tryout for our club, the tryout date and info is clearly and publicly posted, but it seems bizarre to limit the number of kids allowed to play on the same team from any one specific high school. How do community based JO teams such as ours skirt this rule in Indiana? Or do they just cooperate? How are the teams picked if they do? Who administers this? Wow, I am definately interested in the details of this as I wasn't even aware that this rule existed. It seems contrived and goofy from my perspective. Karl |
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VBinCP |
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The IHSAA feels that not allowing players to play together will give the player a chance for life away from their high school coach I guess? I am not sure. All
I do know is if you play at any level of High School ball (Frosh, JV or Varsity) A club can only place 3 players from that High School on any one club.
Furthermore, no High School Coach (of any level) is allowed to coach his or her own player during club.
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OhioVballParent |
Same in Ohio | ||
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It's the same way in Ohio. The OHSAA limits the number of players from a HS team to 3 for a club team. Your HS coach cannot be your club coach. |
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Karl |
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Just a fantastic job by the IHSAA deciding whom teenage girls should spend time with on sports teams during the winter and how to define her "life away
from her high school" and what it should/should not entail.
I understand the no high school coaching rule. I think that is well thought out and important. In Minnesota, a 10th, JV or Varsity coach cannot coach or instruct (private lesson, clinc etc...) a player that participated in the same high school program as that coach. It is legal for a high school coach to coach players of the same program provided they did not play on the 10th, JV or Varsity team. (7th, 8th or 9th grade team players would all be OK to coach during JO's). This is fair (I understand the inherent danger of Varsity coaches mandating where the kids go play JO's) and extremely useful from a Varsity head coaches' perspective as you can then coach a JO team comprised of the promising 9th graders in your program during the JO season (Trust me, they are never "forced" to play on this team, they happily come to tryouts for a chance to play on Armstrong 15-1's after the 9th grade high school season). It is a critical development tool in my program, and something I will continue to implement in the years to come. Ya know, unless Minnesota and Indiana apply for joint statehood and adopt the ISHAA rules. |
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tsalcido |
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Let me play devil's advocate for a bit... Lets say a club has a very close relationship to a HS and while the HS coaches can't coach the HS age girls he/she coaches the lower level. Some may
feel that it is in their best interest to play for the club or it may hurt them during the school season.
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Karl |
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Tsalcido wrote:
Let me play devil's advocate for a bit... Lets say a club has a very close relationship to a HS and while the HS coaches can't coach the HS age girls he/she coaches the lower level. Some may feel that it is in their best interest to play for the club or it may hurt them during the school season. Karl wrote: Agreed, the HS coach influencing or mandating where a player from his program should go play JO's should be policed. That is uncool. However - my thoughts are the 3 player limit is a wierdo way to do it. Policy should be addressing the innapropriate behaviors of a high school coach, not how many kids can be on a JO team becuase of where they go to high school. Just my $0.02. Or perhaps that the HS coach may have influence (coaching from the sidelines) on where the girls play, who starts, etc... Karl wrote: Then this coach needs a reality check. Coaching a team from the sidelines during a JO match is completely berzerko and more than a bit control freakish. Also, if I were the coach of a JO team, and the HS coach of one of my players was attempting to "influence" who I was starting or where I was playing them, I would definately have issue with that high school coach. Even if that HS coach was a friend of mine or well respected in the area. I would probably use the phrase "Coach - you are being a complete nincompoop right now, please let me coach the team to the best of my abilites" or something similar. Not saying this is why it is but perhaps a concern they have. If this was the case wouldn't the rule be a good thing? Karl wrote: tsalcido - you have a very valid point that HS coaches should not influence their players during the JO season. I think we are all in agreement there. I just happen to think that by limiting the inclusion on JO teams to 3 players from any given high school is akin to say - trying to curb the increase of milk prices by mandating cow farmers to ship their milk via horse and carriage as to save on transportation fuel costs. Yes, it's adressing the issue, but it is a really odd way to do it.
Last Edited By: Karl
05/15/08 2:29 PM.
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loganpkbt |
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does not have this limit. I recall teams that are basically a schools high school team but the high school coach if coaching club may not coach any of their
own players.
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SSVB DAD |
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I believe FHSAA recently changed the rule to now allow high school coaches to coach their players/team in the off season as they were experiencing a coach
shortage in multiple sports - both a shortage of high school coaches and club coaches
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HuskyVbFan |
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loganpkbt wrote: Washington actually goes further than most in limiting the coaches: you cannot have anyone on your team that goes to your school or to a middle school/junior high that feeds into your school. So high school coaches are very limited in coaching a local team.
They either have to coach 12s team, coach for a club that is a ways away from their home, or limit the team to players other than their school. I have seen all
three approaches. The last one can be an unfair burden on players as some clubs will make the roster fit the coach, not the coaches fit the roster. This can
mean either forcing a player to play up or cutting a player in favor of keeping the coach.
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VolleyDad9 |
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Texas is the same as Washington. Can't coach kids in your attendance zone starting at the middle school level. Many of the Varsity coaches here coach 18s
as that is legal because they have finished their high school "career" when the 18s club season begins.
Fun? You mean Volleyball is supposed to be fun??
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