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VbBEAR	Hmm...	#11	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 39 (05/07/08 10:39 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	USAVRef wrote: trufle shuffle wrote: I agree with "eweeyeewesse". You really shouldn't yell at kid that is not your own even if she is spacing out our texting when she should be flipping the score. I've seen a lot of bad behavior by parents over the years in regard to this issue. A great deal of the time the flipper made a mistake in the score and was corrected by the official scorekeeper. The parents don't know that and they are yelling about a score that is actually correct. Bingo. ...sorry but seen too many cases whether neither Ms. Flip-ornio nor Ms. OS (Offical Scorekeeper)have a clue...and in fact are pretty-put out by the whole officiating responsiblities and lack respect for the other teams on the court...God-forbid they be treated the same when playing. And the R1 to be on top of it?....plea-zzee. It's the R2s job to work with the table and assure the score at 25 before the R1 signals end of set/match. And who is the R2? Usually the teammate of Flip and OS. And where is the coach for the officiating team? Eating a dog and slurpin a coke...which directly correlates to the attitude of thier team while officiating. Bango
trufle shuffle		#12	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 16 (05/07/08 11:46 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	VbBEAR wrote: USAVRef wrote: trufle shuffle wrote: I agree with "eweeyeewesse". You really shouldn't yell at kid that is not your own even if she is spacing out our texting when she should be flipping the score. I've seen a lot of bad behavior by parents over the years in regard to this issue. A great deal of the time the flipper made a mistake in the score and was corrected by the official scorekeeper. The parents don't know that and they are yelling about a score that is actually correct. Bingo. ...sorry but seen too many cases whether neither Ms. Flip-ornio nor Ms. OS (Offical Scorekeeper)have a clue...and in fact are pretty-put out by the whole officiating responsiblities and lack respect for the other teams on the court...God-forbid they be treated the same when playing. And the R1 to be on top of it?....plea-zzee. It's the R2s job to work with the table and assure the score at 25 before the R1 signals end of set/match. And who is the R2? Usually the teammate of Flip and OS. And where is the coach for the officiating team? Eating a dog and slurpin a coke...which directly correlates to the attitude of thier team while officiating. Bango There is no debate that this scenario happens. However, it is not your job or the other parents to make sure the score gets corrected. The coaches need to stay on top of this...it is their job. I tell my parents that it is their job to cheer and be supportive of their daughter...we are all better off for that.
VolleyDad9		#13	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1453 (05/07/08 12:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I can't begin to tell you how many times I have seen parents yell "point" when the score was exactly correct...the parents zoned out for a point or a call was changed or the score had been wrong on the board for a while and they realized it and matched it to the scoresheet... I have also seen it other times when the scorekeeping table messes up. If you have ever looked at one of the scoresheets and the way points are tracked...if one is missed...many times it is virtually impossible to prove it was missed or to correct it. Yelling point a thousand times won't change the scorsheet. Fun? You mean Volleyball is supposed to be fun??
olddblueeyes	Hmm...	#14	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 55 (05/07/08 1:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	VolleyDad9 wrote: I can't begin to tell you how many times I have seen parents yell "point" when the score was exactly correct...the parents zoned out for a point or a call was changed or the score had been wrong on the board for a while and they realized it and matched it to the scoresheet... I have also seen it other times when the scorekeeping table messes up. If you have ever looked at one of the scoresheets and the way points are tracked...if one is missed...many times it is virtually impossible to prove it was missed or to correct it. Yelling point a thousand times won't change the scorsheet. ...actually I have seen the point error corrected....but on a Grander-Scale, you're misinterpeting the reason for our parental "support" of the scorer's table. It is not to get the score changed, influence the game, or interrupt the match. The sole purpose of the anquished, bellowing cry of frustration is.... WILL YOU PUT THE DARN IPOD AND PHONE DOWN AND FOCUS ON THE FREAKIN MATCH! On a lighter note, I remember when my player was involved in that European Sport that prevents the use of the God-given extremities, namely HANDs. One one weekend the Parks and Rec gurus decided it appropriate to have SILENT SUNDAY, a day when parents could not coach, criticise or cheer from the sidelines with the penalty being immediate escort from the field. OMG what a disaster consistent with watching paint dry and listening to grass grow....
MyNameHere	Have Some Patience	#15	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 137 (05/07/08 1:34 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If you do feel a compelling, deep-seated, burning, insatiable desire to scream "POINT!!!!" or "SCORE!!!!" at the young athletes working the scorer's table, please have the courtesy to wait at least one rally to do so. The mere seconds between rallies is adequate time for the scoreboard operator to do their job, in most cases, but with other potential distractions during dead balls, sometimes it takes a few extra moments for the point to be posted. Most of these situations get fixed on their own during the ensuing rally or the next dead ball, without your obnoxious intervention. If you wait a rally and there's still an issue, alert your team's coach and have them rectify the situation. And don't even pretend you're "really yelling at the ref" and not the table. I suppose when a kid on your team shanks a ball and you yell "c'mon, we need a pass!", you're "really yelling at the coach" and not the player, right?
VBGuest		#16	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 9 (05/07/08 2:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The coaches need to stay on top of this...it is their job. I think we have a really good coach, but she doesn't check the scoreboard after every point. Maybe she should, but my daughter has yet to be on a team where the coach checks the score after each point. I really like the suggestion of mentioning it to someone on the reffing team sitting near by. That seems unobtrusive and polite. On the idea of walking up to a coach, I am wondering what coaches think of that. I think there is a rule at the facility we play that says a parent/spectator cannot walk onto the playing surface. What about getting the coaches attention in another way? I also agree that there have been numerous times where the score was never corrected. Most of the time it doesn't impact the outcome, but sometimes it does.
Asst2theRM		#17	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 21 (05/07/08 2:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	VBGuest wrote: On the idea of walking up to a coach, I am wondering what coaches think of that. I think there is a rule at the facility we play that says a parent/spectator cannot walk onto the playing surface. I may be in the minority, but I have great parents that do not act obscenely at tournaments. There have been several occasions where they will walk up behind the bench, grab my attention (or my ass't) in between rallies and say "check the score". I will walk to the scorers table, politely as for a score check, and all is well. No need to yell at the kids. If the kids are texting and listening to iPods, it is that coaches responsibility. Our team rule, no phones, iPods, etc. You have a job to do, do it well and with all of your focus. Seems easy enough to me without getting all worked up.
Norcal Jefe		#18	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 88 (05/07/08 2:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I saw an effective solution to 1) parents yelling "point" and 2) scorers not paying attention several years ago. Diligent parents (the ones that would otherwise be yelling "point") sat across from the scorer's table so that the down ref and scoring table could easily see them. These parents had their OWN scorecard (and scorebook?). It appeared that the reffing team was compelled to make sure their scores were accurate as the girls compared the scores often. No one was yelling "score". The coaches apparently condoned this option.
flyonthewall	an idea	#19	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 348 (05/07/08 2:52 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's an idea....for everyone who has issues with work crews, try starting with your own team. Maybe this can be a ripple effect. I have seen teams with parents who yell, intimidate and rudely comment on the "quality" of another working team---but yet, when it is their teams turn to work are the same parents trying to carry on conversations with their kid (and not emergency conversations). Do these parents stress to their own child the need to take the work duties as seriously as the playing time? I do think coaches should be watching their work crew and give feedback. Perhaps the professional refs need to be sure they let the clubs know which players do a good job with their duties. We had a player a couple years back who had a professional ref tell not only the coach of the team, but the club director what a great job this player had done and suggesting she keep reffing after her playing days were done. The club in turn put a banner on it's web page honoring the player. Maybe instead of all the negative stuff we need to make it "cool" to be a good line judge, scorekeepr or ref....
USAVRef		#20	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 21 (05/07/08 2:59 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	MyNameHere wrote: If you do feel a compelling, deep-seated, burning, insatiable desire to scream "POINT!!!!" or "SCORE!!!!" at the young athletes working the scorer's table, please have the courtesy to wait at least one rally to do so. The mere seconds between rallies is adequate time for the scoreboard operator to do their job, in most cases, but with other potential distractions during dead balls, sometimes it takes a few extra moments for the point to be posted. Most of these situations get fixed on their own during the ensuing rally or the next dead ball, without your obnoxious intervention. If you wait a rally and there's still an issue, alert your team's coach and have them rectify the situation. I would say a disturbing percentage of times I hear "POINT' stems from the fact that the point isn't registered on the scoreboard nearly fast enough for the parents' liking. Never mind that the person working the scoreboard might also be the libero tracker, and quite frankly, I always tell my libero tracker that you handle that part of your job first, then register the point on the scoreboard.

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