When, if ever, is it okay for a parent/spectator to yell out "point"/ "score" during a match? What do parents/specators do if they know the
score is wrong but they don't yell out? Is there any tactful way to handle this issue or should parents/spectators just let the score be wrong?
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Posts: 16 (05/07/08 9:26 AM) |
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Posts: 21 (05/07/08 9:40 AM) |
As a coach, it is embarrasing to have my parents consistantly yell "score!" to the girls running the table. I would prefer if a parent walked up and
mentioned it to me or my ass't coach and let us handle it.
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Posts: 733 (05/07/08 9:46 AM) |
There was a long thread on this. The rough consensus is -never- yell it out, even when you are sure you are right. If it persists for several points, do as
recommended and go around and let one of your coaches know.
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Posts: 348 (05/07/08 9:54 AM) |
Torami wrote:This is just unrealistic, I think. By comparison, can you imagine what would happen in a college volleyball game if the score on the scoreboard was incorrect? Or a high school basketball game? How about a football game? Can't you just imagine what 50,000 people would be yelling in the stands? Why is volleyball any different? People are people - when they are watching an event and the wrong score is put up, they're going to start yelling. I say let 'em yell. Many times, it's the only way the scorers (and the referees) wake up. |
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Posts: 92 (05/07/08 10:08 AM) |
...sounds like we have an answer so I won't belabor the points made with the exception of the following observation.
As both a parent and now retired coach, it is hard to understand and watch the lack of coordination and assigned responsbilities on a coaching team...assuming, as most teams do, more than one coach. During my years in coaching my assistant always had specific duties during a match, as well as, pre-game and post game. Critical ones to me during the match were making sure the subs got ready and up to the line on time; knowing the number of subs used; and to track every point and compare that to the table's posting. While they had other duties, those were key. I see way too many assistants just "lost in space" during matches, no clipboard, no assigned responsibilites and that is lack of direction and coordination by the head coach. |
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Posts: 310 (05/07/08 10:09 AM) |
expertidiot wrote:Because it's bad form to be yelling at a kid that's not your own? |
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Posts: 348 (05/07/08 10:13 AM) |
Why are you assuming that they anyone is yelling at a kid? What if they're yelling "SCORE" at the adult R1 or R2... who is supposed to be
managing the scorer's table?
I'm just saying that this it is quite natural in any sport for the fans to quickly become vocal when the wrong score is put up for all to see. Volleyball is no different than football, basketball, etc. When the score's wrong, people are going to get vocal about it. |
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Posts: 120 (05/07/08 10:17 AM) |
I was always told the officials don't go by the 'score card' but rather the score sheet ....
But, it appears to me when the score card reads 25, the ref blows his whistle and the game is over. He doesn't first consult the score sheet to confirm the score card is correct. Nothing drives a parent more crazy than the score being wrong - this is harder to move past than a perceived 'bad call'. A call can be subjective based on your line of sight. The score card is black and white and missing a point is negligence. (ok, I know these are kids scoring). FYI - one time I approached the assist coach during a game, lightly tapped her on the shoulder so that I wouldn't be TOO much of a distraction, scared the bejeevies out of her. Usually there is someone around from the reffing team. I ask a reffing teammate to let her peers know to check the score. |
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Posts: 16 (05/07/08 10:18 AM) |
I agree with "eweeyeewesse". You really shouldn't yell at kid that is not your own even if she is spacing out our texting when she should be
flipping the score. I've seen a lot of bad behavior by parents over the years in regard to this issue. A great deal of the time the flipper made a
mistake in the score and was corrected by the official scorekeeper. The parents don't know that and they are yelling about a score that is actually
correct.
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Posts: 35 (05/07/08 10:20 AM) |
trufle shuffle wrote: Bingo. |
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Posts: 348 (05/07/08 10:34 AM) |
I've personally been involved in many instances where the incorrect score stood. Look at the flipped score this way - it can be an early warning sign of an
error in the book. That often happens. If it's caught quickly, the error in the incorrect scorebook can be easily found and fixed. If it goes on too long,
it quite often stands.
Anyway, some of you are being unrealistic in my mind. No one should yell at a kid (who would really disagree with this?), but what on earth would a rational person expect would happen in ANY sport if the wrong score was put up for everyone to see? Is it wrong to yell "SCORE" to the referee? Does anyone really think you can expect fans in any sport not to get vocal when the posted score is wrong? |
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Posts: 70 (05/07/08 10:39 AM) |
USAVRef wrote: ...sorry but seen too many cases whether neither Ms. Flip-ornio nor Ms. OS (Offical Scorekeeper)have a clue...and in fact are pretty-put out by the whole
officiating responsiblities and lack respect for the other teams on the court...God-forbid they be treated the same when playing.
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Posts: 16 (05/07/08 11:46 AM) |
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Posts: 1551 (05/07/08 12:17 PM) |
I can't begin to tell you how many times I have seen parents yell "point" when the score was exactly correct...the parents zoned out for a point
or a call was changed or the score had been wrong on the board for a while and they realized it and matched it to the scoresheet...
I have also seen it other times when the scorekeeping table messes up. If you have ever looked at one of the scoresheets and the way points are tracked...if one is missed...many times it is virtually impossible to prove it was missed or to correct it. Yelling point a thousand times won't change the scorsheet.
Fun? You mean Volleyball is supposed to be fun??
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Posts: 92 (05/07/08 1:06 PM) |
VolleyDad9 wrote: ...actually I have seen the point error corrected....but on a Grander-Scale, you're misinterpeting the reason for our parental "support" of
the scorer's table. It is not to get the score changed, influence the game, or interrupt the match. The sole purpose of the anquished, bellowing cry of
frustration is....
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Posts: 139 (05/07/08 1:34 PM) |
If you do feel a compelling, deep-seated, burning, insatiable desire to scream "POINT!!!!" or "SCORE!!!!" at the young athletes working the
scorer's table, please have the courtesy to wait at least one rally to do so. The mere seconds between rallies is adequate time for the scoreboard operator
to do their job, in most cases, but with other potential distractions during dead balls, sometimes it takes a few extra moments for the point to be posted.
Most of these situations get fixed on their own during the ensuing rally or the next dead ball, without your obnoxious intervention. If you wait a rally and
there's still an issue, alert your team's coach and have them rectify the situation.
And don't even pretend you're "really yelling at the ref" and not the table. I suppose when a kid on your team shanks a ball and you yell "c'mon, we need a pass!", you're "really yelling at the coach" and not the player, right? |
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Posts: 16 (05/07/08 2:06 PM) |
The coaches need to stay on top of this...it is their job.I think we have a really good coach, but she doesn't check the scoreboard after every point. Maybe she should, but my daughter has yet to be on a team where the coach checks the score after each point. I really like the suggestion of mentioning it to someone on the reffing team sitting near by. That seems unobtrusive and polite. On the idea of walking up to a coach, I am wondering what coaches think of that. I think there is a rule at the facility we play that says a parent/spectator cannot walk onto the playing surface. What about getting the coaches attention in another way? I also agree that there have been numerous times where the score was never corrected. Most of the time it doesn't impact the outcome, but sometimes it does. |
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Posts: 21 (05/07/08 2:21 PM) |
VBGuest wrote:I may be in the minority, but I have great parents that do not act obscenely at tournaments. There have been several occasions where they will walk up behind the bench, grab my attention (or my ass't) in between rallies and say "check the score". I will walk to the scorers table, politely as for a score check, and all is well. No need to yell at the kids. If the kids are texting and listening to iPods, it is that coaches responsibility. Our team rule, no phones, iPods, etc. You have a job to do, do it well and with all of your focus. Seems easy enough to me without getting all worked up. |
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Posts: 88 (05/07/08 2:33 PM) |
I saw an effective solution to 1) parents yelling "point" and 2) scorers not paying attention several years ago.
Diligent parents (the ones that would otherwise be yelling "point") sat across from the scorer's table so that the down ref and scoring table could easily see them. These parents had their OWN scorecard (and scorebook?). It appeared that the reffing team was compelled to make sure their scores were accurate as the girls compared the scores often. No one was yelling "score". The coaches apparently condoned this option. |
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Posts: 376 (05/07/08 2:52 PM) |
Here's an idea....for everyone who has issues with work crews, try starting with your own team. Maybe this can be a ripple effect. I have seen teams with
parents who yell, intimidate and rudely comment on the "quality" of another working team---but yet, when it is their teams turn to work are the same
parents trying to carry on conversations with their kid (and not emergency conversations). Do these parents stress to their own child the need to take the
work duties as seriously as the playing time? I do think coaches should be watching their work crew and give feedback. Perhaps the professional refs need to
be sure they let the clubs know which players do a good job with their duties. We had a player a couple years back who had a professional ref tell not only
the coach of the team, but the club director what a great job this player had done and suggesting she keep reffing after her playing days were done. The club
in turn put a banner on it's web page honoring the player. Maybe instead of all the negative stuff we need to make it "cool" to be a good line
judge, scorekeepr or ref....
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Posts: 35 (05/07/08 2:59 PM) |
MyNameHere wrote: I would say a disturbing percentage of times I hear "POINT' stems from the fact that the point isn't registered on the scoreboard nearly fast enough for the parents' liking. Never mind that the person working the scoreboard might also be the libero tracker, and quite frankly, I always tell my libero tracker that you handle that part of your job first, *then* register the point on the scoreboard. |
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