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joslin55 |
Can coaches do that? |
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Can NAIA/NCAA college coaches require their girls to have no more than a certain body fat percentage to make/stay on the team?
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Phaedrus |
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Sure they can do that, they can also get nailed by a boatload of lawsuits and get their butts fired.
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joslin55 |
Need opinions about this! | ||
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Thank you Phaedrus for the sentiment. But I need to know -- Is this a good idea, or is it even legal? Please, I need advice here. Thanks!
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XAsstCoach |
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Since schollies are renewed each year, the coach can opt not to renew a schollie for a player that has a higher body fat.
However, I'm guessing most schools would need a justification as to why the coach has decided not to renew the schollie. If the coach cites body fat, chances are the school would not allow it so the coach will most likely lie, officially, on why the schollie is not being renewed. |
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bearclause |
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XAsstCoach wrote: Body fat measurement seems to be an extremely poor indicator. Aren't there other "metrics" for physical performance that would be more
acceptable to a review panel and not (essentially) tied to appearance. I've seen my fair share of players who would be dropped because their body fat was
likely high, but were otherwise fit and capable.
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WIVBCRAZY |
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I wonder if they have low limits set too? If they are going to monitor it they should check both sides to the story.
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Phaedrus |
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In the major programs, the coaches let the training staff set the goals as far as strength, flexibility, aerobic conditioning, goes. The coaches will consult
with the staff on those numbers and I am sure that the strength and conditioning staff report to the administrative staff about what they are doing so if a
coach goes bonkers about body fat, alarm bells should be sounding in the AD's suite. As Bearclause has pointed out, body fat measurement is an extremely
poor measure of the total condition of the athlete, it does nothing to indicate the condition of the athlete in all of its myriad dimensions. Let us not
forget that there have been negligence lawsuits concerning the off season conditioning programs all around the country, especially with football players.
Missouri had a pretty notable case of a player keeling over during a voluntary workout taking place within sight of the university hospital. So most
administrations are very sensitive about taking care of their athletes.
Now, if the program is not well supported, i.e. the coach is the ultimate arbiter of conditioning etc. without the help of a training staff, then I can see it happening. If you are concerned, you need to get a health care professional involved and get a second opinion on what the coach is asking. |
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bluknight |
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I think as a coach you have to protect yourself and the program's fitness. You have to be able to provide objective justification for your actions. They
don't need to be justified everytime, but you should be able to do so just in case. Document interactions with Prospects and current student-athletes. We
take stats all season long practice and matches. We track grades. We should most certainly be able to track fitness. Like with Stats and Grades some areas are
stronger than others and we have to be able to take consideration of the athlete as a whole. Some of the goals the athletes and coaches set are just not
realistic or safe. All activities should have clearance from medical personnel as all athletes should get cleared through a history review and exam.
I use the beep test (overall conditioning level), 40 yd Dash, T Test (agility), vertical leap, Body Comp, Push Ups, Sit Ups, and Pull Ups at the beginning of every season (fall and spring). Each category by itself doesn't mean the world to making or breaking the team, but together they provide a picture of the the athletes physical fitness. I also make a note during certain drills where a large number of reps take place over a short period of time how the athlete performs and responds to the stress. Some people live and die by standards set for gender/age. I think once you establish a baseline you should look to improve what can be improved. Cutting someone based purely on body comp seems like a cop-out. |
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joslin55 |
O.k., well.... | ||
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D. was starting player and stat leader on team in two areas, playing every game during season. Team did very, very well during the season. Two months into
off season, was kicked off team due to "weight gain". We appealed. I think when they saw that would not fly, coach suddenly came up with a list of
offenses never discussed with daughter before being kicked off team. She has never been written up, asked to sit out, benched, taken out of a game or put on
probation. AD said "the team" voted and does not want daughter back, therefore she is off. (We didn't know this was their decision to make, and
am not sure this is totaly accurate anyway-- but I can understand that the other players would surely side with the coach, to safeguard their spot on the
team/scholarship, etc.) Now, coach has impelmeted a new rule of <25% body fat to get on/stay on team, presumably to keep my daughter off. Just don't
know where to turn, how to advise my daughter without rescuing her, how to inspire her to move past this, how to help her fight it, or give in and give up VB
completely. I feel she is being railroaded and scapegoated, but then she is my daughter.
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bluknight |
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Has your daughter talked to the coach about this with another team member present (i.e. a captain) and a neutral party? Definitely sounds like a cop-out, but
I again I don't your kid or the situation. If a kid was gaining weight, I'd have a little chat with them about making better choices and working out
more efficiently to make them aware that I have noticed and then given them a chance to redeem or improve before the axe.
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Phaedrus |
Give the NCAA a call | ||
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They have an Ombudsman and you can ask them if the coach is allowed to do what he is doing. If he already came up with backup excuses though, the point might
be moot.
Sounds like the coach is determined to kick your daughter off the team, and I can't believe her team mates would let her hang like this. Has she talked to her team mates about it? And to be totally indelicate, did she gain weight quickly in that period of time? |
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bearclause |
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I've seen and heard it all over the years. I've specifically talked to others about a specific recruited player who frankly would need to lose a
little weight because it was obvious that he abilities weren't being maximized due to a lack of mobility. I've also heard comments about Megan Burton
at St Mary's, who is a big girl. She may not look it, but her fitness level is just fine. It's got to be an individual case, since volleyball
shouldn't be a beauty contest.
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TX09ER |
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http://prepvolleyball.yuku.com/topic/2192/t/Coach-badmouthing-me.html
It sounds like there are a lot of issues here. It seems like it's time to move on. |
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