Long BEach 15 -R has a 6th in So Cal and 2 wins against the field, but this team isnt even high enough in its own region to earn an American bid, I dont see
how they could get the at large.
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Posts: 62 (04/29/08 10:30 PM) |
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Posts: 46 (04/29/08 10:44 PM) |
Whats up,
The regional stuff is less than half over. We go to qualifiers to get to JO`s. You may be looking for the regional hand-out, based on only speculation at the mid point of the season. Many teams trying to get better are losing some matches in regional play. Every team had their chance in the qualifiers. |
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WhatsUpinSoCal |
I understand... | ||
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Posts: 62 (04/29/08 11:08 PM) |
I am very familiar with the process...and I understand the regional standings have no bearing when determining an OPEN At Large bid. However, the point I made
is just that, a point. They currently stand 16th in Southern California, and will play in Division 2 in mandatory 4 this sunday. They had a great So Cal
Qualifier and are a very scrappy aggressive team that could give teams FITS in Dallas. If they do not get the OPEN at large they will not receive a club bid,
which is too bad.
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Posts: 46 (04/30/08 10:02 AM) |
Whats up,
I know you also understand that; the LB Runbird team is only about 70 points below several JO Open teams after mandatory 3 results are posted (1280 vs 1350), there are still 2000 points up for grabs. 10 teams are inside those numbers. None of the other 10 teams finished higher than LB Runbird at the So Cal Qualifier, or any other Qualifier. Unfortunately, all regions are forced to use less than half of a seasons results to award their region bids. It would be interesting to know how many teams finish higher than the teams selected each year. I assume some teams play the first half of the season without a lot of weaker players on the court? This LB team has not done that, but it is probably the best strategy for JO qualifying. I am sure this same conversation goes on every year with no real better way? |
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Posts: 18 (04/30/08 11:24 AM) |
Easy fix......
We need a tournament to determine bids. Lose Regionals and have a bid tournament. Then the club bids can go out in order of finish. The ladder system is flawed, the points are flawed.... How can you arbitrarily decide when to count points and when not to? Our system is poor...... |
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BigFella |
#1 Factor in At-Large Bids | ||
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Posts: 292 (04/30/08 12:15 PM) |
Not sure if anyone has time to figure this out, but the #1 deciding factor on whether a team gets an at large bid I have been told from the Competition
Committee is Record against the already qualified field.
Got spare time? Let us know the records.
BigFella
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GopherVBfan |
Looking at results versus qualified teams | ||
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Posts: 67 (04/30/08 12:32 PM) |
The following takes the list of teams on the at large "bubble" and shows their results in open division qualifiers against the teams that have
qualified for nationals in the open division. I have two take aways from these stats.
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Watching |
Charleston Juniors | ||
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Posts: 34 (04/30/08 1:17 PM) |
This is another team that could possibly be in the running - 5th at Big South and 13th at NEQ; record against qualified field is 2 wins and 5 losses. |
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Nebraska Nostradamus |
Additionally | ||
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Posts: 350 (04/30/08 1:32 PM) |
NE also has win over Synergy. While they are not in the field they are competing for an at large, figures to play in at some level I am sure.
Last Edited By: Nebraska Nostradamus
04/30/08 1:35 PM.
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Posts: 46 (04/30/08 3:08 PM) |
GoFor what,
How does the team tied for the most losses sit in the top 8? They lost to the same teams your honorable mentions did and more times. How close were all these matches? I assume this list is a biased one. Maybe you can compare who beat who on your lists? At least that would be worth reading. |
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GopherVBfan |
Go to the start of the thread | ||
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Posts: 67 (04/30/08 3:18 PM) |
You need to go to the start of the thread. Qualifier finish and winning percentage in qualifiers were the main criteria. There is not any bias. Vision clinched the #1 spot with their strong performance at the Far West in addition to two other qualifiers. |
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WhatsUpinSoCal |
Winning % in Qualifiers?! | ||
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Posts: 62 (04/30/08 3:32 PM) |
Qualifier finish, Record against the qualified field, record against at large pool were always my understanding of main criteria for AT LARGE. |
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Posts: 46 (04/30/08 6:18 PM) |
You use the word "clinched", with 4 spots available, Vision may be the best to represent Nor Cal. If it has been clinched you know more than anyone
else, or a small committee is not happy you are voicing their decisions.
If a team goes to 3 or 4 Qualifiers, and not qualify (lose to 7, now qualified teams), how does this make them better than everyone else? Is Vision better than everyone below them on your list? Not in So Cal, Vision finished 3rd in their pool on the final day. LB Runbird finished 6 in SO Cal (lost a playoff for the bid), and beat the Mavericks qualified team in the process. Mavericks took the Open bid from Vision in there own back yard at Farwesterns. Last week LB also beat Coast who you have in your second group. The numbers/team order do not add up! "Vision clinched"? We do know it will be tough in Dallas for any of these teams, but great to go and compete. |
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Posts: 5 (04/30/08 6:50 PM) |
Here is how i see it:
Nebraska Elite's 4th at crossroads, ahead of many now open qualified team should be in. Synergy and FJVC with their solid finishes in qualifiers and 3 wins against the field should be in as well. Its anyone's guess for the 4th bid...ill take a stab at it and throw in Vision. Whatcha think? |
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Posts: 67 (04/30/08 9:03 PM) |
RaraaAvis
You can't go wrong with any of your choices. I know historically it is tougher to get a bid having played only one qualifier but I wouldn't mind Team Atlantis getting a nod - 4th place finish, 7-2 record, 2-2 versus qualified teams. That was a nice showing for them at the MEQ. Does anyone know this team? Why didn't they play another qualifier somewhere after getting so close? |
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Posts: 12 (04/30/08 9:40 PM) |
Gopher:
You did a great job, but I have to agree with Volleyball's comments. In my opinion, Mizuno L.B. 15-R should definitely be in your top 8. Take out Cincy and switch that team with Mizuno. Then, put all the names in a hat and pick them out one by one in no particular order. It's anyone's guess! TOP EIGHT 1. Vision (1 win, 7 losses) 2. Nebraska Elite (1 win, 5 losses) 3. FJVC (3 wins, 5 losses) 4. Team Atlantis (2 wins, 2 losses) 5. Cincy Classics (0 wins, 4 losses) Mizuno 15- R should go here. 6. AJV (1 win, 4 losses) 7. NORCO (1 win, 4 losses) 8. Synergy (3 wins, 3 losses) TEAMS LIKELY TO NOT QUITE HAVE ENOUGH 9. Skyline Roshambo (1 win, 7 losses) 10. Delta Valley (0 wins, 5 losses) 11. Coast (0 wins, 5 losses) 12. NVVA (0 wins, 5 losses) 13. NKYVC (0 wins, 6 losses) 14. Niagara (2 wins, 4 losses) 15. Northern Lights (0 wins, 4 losses) HONORABLE MENTION Mizuno Long Beach 15R (1 win, 5 losses) Cincy should go here. Champions (0 wins, 4 losses) Braggin Rights (0 wins, 2 losses) |
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Nebraska Nostradamus |
count down.... | ||
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Posts: 350 (04/30/08 10:33 PM) |
5 days until the announcement...........there is still some good controversy left I hope!!
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WhatsUpinSoCal |
i would think | ||
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Posts: 62 (05/01/08 3:20 AM) |
Vision
Nebraska Elite Synergy FJVC |
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BigFella |
Wins vs. other at-large candidates | ||
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Posts: 292 (05/01/08 6:45 AM) |
Anyone have time to calculate wins/losses vs. the other at-large teams listed here?
BigFella
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Posts: 116 (05/01/08 7:01 AM) |
Last year, the 15s at-large teams were announced on the Thursday following the last qualifier. In other words, today. Hopefully, they can do it today or
tomorrow, before many regional championships.
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