But if it's about wins against the open field as stated in colo1's post, they have a strong case. Some of the teams listed have no wins against any of
the qualified teams.
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Posts: 32 (04/28/08 7:42 PM) |
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Posts: 67 (04/28/08 8:24 PM) |
Where were the wins and how many losses were there, also? Too many times people talk about the wins and don't include the "other" matches.
Braggin Rights had zero wins against qualifier teams at Lone Star, two losses to qualified teams and one loss to a team not qualified and not a strong at large
possibility. That led to a ninth place finish. If they aren't getting it done at a qualifier, where are they getting it done? Was it another tournament,
a scrimmage, etc.? Given all the strong performances by at large candidates at qualifiers, it seems difficult to have a team get an at large selection by not
getting it done at a qualifier(s).
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lifeonthesidelines |
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Posts: 380 (04/28/08 9:58 PM) |
First--kudos to this very talented team for obtaining the national bid playing with only 6 players. You guys rock.
Most of their wins against the qualified field were in the Texas Championship Series/Tour. Over the past few years, this team has consistently been one of the "teams to beat" in our region. Unfortunately losing some players (temporarily?) in the past month has caused them to falter a bit. Healthy this is one team we are always glad to see on the other side of the bracket! Final Standings in TCS: 1 Braggin Rights 2 Woodlands Stars (qualified open) 2/2 3 TX Tornados 15 Mizuno (qualified open) 4/2 4 Mad Frog 15's N Blue (qualified open) 0/2 5 AJV 15 Mizuno 6 AVA of Texas 15 Asics (qualified open) 7 Victory 15 Elite 8 Alamo 15 Kaepa They also beat the amazing TAV asics in 3 at Cross Court Classic
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Posts: 346 (04/28/08 10:37 PM) |
Bids are to be out before the tournament you are talking about. This 15s team has 1 game loss to anyone in the region all year....the results wont matter
for the at large and I cant imagine anything to shocking happening.
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Posts: 32 (04/28/08 10:57 PM) |
First, let me state that I have no affiliation with Braggin Rights nor their region. The team that my daughter plays for has qualified in 15 Open so I would
not be too excited to see Braggin Rights get an at-large bid because I've seen them play. They give it their all and many times get the job done when you
don't expect them too.
BTW, I did include their losses in my post when I spoke about their wins and losses at the qualifier. Also, USAV will give the bids to whoever they please no matter what wins or losses are posted on this board. Depending on what tournaments your team has played in over the season, different teams will stand out to each of us and seem likely to get the at large bids. |
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whiteballfan |
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Posts: 14 (04/29/08 8:49 AM) |
As for at-large open bids, it may come down to which open teams have the most wins verses "Qualified Open" teams. How did NE do? How did the rest of
the field do? That I'd like to see.
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GopherVBfan |
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Posts: 67 (04/29/08 9:18 AM) |
When all is said and done, qualifier finish followed by records (who you beat and who you lost to) in qualifiers matter most. That is where everyone is geared
to play their best and the results tell the story.
If someone plays in a power league or elite series throughout the year against a couple of teams that have qualified and another plays where nobody has qualified, the team that may have a 2-6 record against qualified teams shouldn't and won't have an advantage over a team that has a 0-0 record in these events. I do know that in the power leagues and elite series that I watch, the teams have more equal playing time with all their players, they rotate girls into positions they may not normally play and the level of intensity just isn't the same. The competition committee knows this and that is why the emphasis gets placed in qualifiers as it should be. It would be similar to a college team playing a conference and non-conference schedule. The "conference" games are the qualifiers while the "non-conference" games are the other matches that the teams report. |
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Posts: 380 (04/29/08 10:05 AM) |
That's true Gopher, but your questions as to "when are they getting it done" or "were they in scrimmages" seem a bit over the top,
especially aimed at a team who have a record of excellence and is suffering the past month over issues out of their control. They had few losses period until a
month ago. I too have no affiliation with the team or the club, however those of us who have played against them and watched them also know that this is not a
team who needs you to put your subs in order to win. I agree that they have a slim chance of an at large bid due to this past month's performance, but like
Watching above, I think that's a good thing for my team. There are few teams I would less want to play and I am sure by JO's they will be healthy
again.
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Posts: 67 (04/29/08 1:19 PM) |
It sounds like Braggin Rights will be a team to watch in the National Division. There are going to be a lot of good teams at that level. Good luck to them
and I will make sure I watch some of their play.
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Posts: 99 (04/29/08 10:12 PM) |
Gopher, thanks for the great analysis.
I had assumed we were not in the running for any at large bid until I saw this post. Looking back at the qualifiers, here is the process I would use to try to pick at large. (I never promise unbiased posts. I do try to supply informative ones.) I would guess that to get an at large, you had to be one of the 9 teams who were the highest team in any qualifier not to get a bid. If one team is in that list twice, they get in. Otherwise, I would then look to see how many teams that eventually got bids finished lower in the standings. USAV may have a lot of head to head information. I only have standings. So finishing higher that a team with a bid is in essense beating them. Here is that list. Team: Qualifier (# of teams with bids and lower finishes) Nebraska Elite: CC (4. And the two that tied them. Clearly an at large bid) Delta: PNQ (0) NVVA: BSQ (1) Atlantis: MEQ (1) Long Beach 15R: SCQ (2) FJVC: NEQ (1) Victory: LSQ (1) Champions: NLQ (0) Vision: FWQ (4 2 at FWQ and 2 at CCQ. At Large Bid) So Nebraska, Vision and Long Beach were the only teams to beat 2+ qualified teams so this method would choose them. Although I hadn't considered it when I started, as I compiled this list I found that Nebraska also finished 2nd out of the running at NLQ and Vision 2nd out at Socal. All of that seems to indicate these 3 teams as having the strongest case for an at large bid. Now the really tough part comes. How to choose the last spot. PNQ and NLQ provided no additional qualifiers, so those are out. That leaves NVVA, Atlantis, FJVC and Victory as each beating one qualified team. I really do not have a rule to go by here so you can pick your own favorite. I tend to come down to Atlantis, because they did finish 4th, or Victory because they were at Lone Star, the qualifier that was so tough it only gave out one bid and they won't have to travel too far to get to JOs. |
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