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VBDad0927 |
A question about reffing |
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Quite often in league play as well as tournaments we run across what I think is a major conflict of interest. Although I feel it may not be avoidable I feel
it needs to be looked at during major tournaments. I'm speaking of having a team from a club responsible for ref duties when another team from their club
is involved in the match. We all know about the "home field advantage" but is this situation fair? Could it be avoided? What are your opinions?
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nakedcrayon |
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We almost had this happen yesterday in gold bracket play. The team that was supposed to stay and ref literally ran from the building to avoid there reffing
assignment. The directors were able to get another team to fill the spot since they were waiting for a bracket match on a court over. Then at last minute
they were called to play on their court so directors got concession workers to fill in. Our 2nd team was leaving its court and I honestly felt unconfortable
when they were asked to stay for a minute to decide what to do. The girls had watched each other play all day long next to each other and had bonded a bit
more than ever before since we have those two teams practice in separate towns. A controversial touch call was not seen by any of the officiating crew during
the match and although it went against us, I would rather have had an impartial crew miss it rather than possible favoritism occur for either team.
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DaveBowman |
Ref'n Duty | ||
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99.99% of the girls on ref'n duty fall into two catagories. Those that want to do a good job and those that are not paying attention. Either case, the up ref sees all and should use the down crew as a support not as a democracy. |
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Old Coach |
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It is normal. It has happened for years. Have some faith in our youth. Look at things from another perspective. Are there MORE calls being made that you
don't normally agree with? Let's face it; as a spectator and a fan and even as a coach or player it is very easy to play the blame game and look for
reasons your team is getting called. The fact of the matter is, these kids and coaches do their jobs fairly when asked to ref. It may not always be done
competently but I would say fairly. I have watched coaches become incensed with kids from their own club reffing a tight match they are coaching in. Bad calls
are made. Calls are missed. Good calls are made and parents, coaches, players don't agree with it. If a ball is hit two feet out of bounds and the LJ calls
it in I would say you may have a point. However, I have never seen a match decided by the reffing crew. Maybe I've been fortunate as I've made my way
around the country but from what I have seen people do an honest (not always good) job of reffing.
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vb15fan |
Impartial reffing? | ||
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I don't think this exists unless you have paid refs. I would rather have a team from the same club than the usual situation of having the team you just
beat at the end of a long day have to stay and ref your championship match. The line judges just want to go home and aren't exactly happy about losing to
your team - I have seen some major indifference in this category both in line calls and accurate scorekeeping.
I don't care where the reffing team comes from as long as they pay attention and try to make good calls. That's all you can ask from any team. By the way, the coaches seem to set the tone for quality officiating. Coaches who care train girls who learn to do the job right. Coaches who allow bad attitudes and indifference are just perpetuating the problem. Give as good as you would like to get folks. |
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spikeattack |
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I heard of a situation occuring a couple of months ago that concerned me. Two teams in 14s playing each other and another 14s team from the same club doing
the reffing duties. The word was that the girl working one of the lines had to make a close call. She made her call and upon eye contact and possibly some
gesture from the coach of the same club, changed her decision. A parent from the other team picked up on it and made some choice comments to that girl. The
assistant coach got very mad and went on a tirade with that parent.
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MyNameHere |
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My point is that even though there is protocol established by the region how reffing duties are done at these region tournaments, exceptions need to be considered when multiple teams of the same club are entered for purposes of being impartial.I doubt that will work in most cases. Ad hoc changes to officiating assignments aren't easy or desirable, especially for the tournament director. Changes like these require having teams that are available to referee, which tends to conflict with the goal of intelligently setting up brackets and referee assignments to maximize play while minimizing downtime. The extra time in the gym, waiting for other courts to finish to find a "substitute" ref team, and constant changes to a team's schedule, all seem like a lot of hassle to avoid having a team work a match where their clubmates are playing. In some tournaments, this may not even be possible - I've been to region tournaments where as many as six teams from an age group are from the same club. You can hardly avoid pool play conflicts in this case, much less ref assignment conflicts during bracket play. The kids that would cheat to help their teammates while keeping score or calling lines are probably the same ones who are incessantly screaming "TOUCH!" every time they hit a ball into orbit. This has less to do with the club they play for and more to do with their value system (or the values being demonstrated by their coaches). |
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ugopher |
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I always thought one of positive aspects of JO volleyball is that players do have to ref. It gives them a whole 'nother perspective of the game and how to
treat officials with respect. As a coach, I have stressed that players give their best effort while officiating and scorekeeping and to pay attention. I ask
them how they would feel if they didn't receive the benefit of a call because the line judge was more interested in what they would be doing after the
match than officiating the match. Some the best compliments I have received on behalf of my teams are that our players do a great job of officiating and paying
attention to the play.
Don't get me wrong, I would appreciate the break, especially when we are the "A" team and you play or officiate four matches in a row. But it is what it is and if you have to be there you might as well do your best. |
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lifeonthesidelines |
the deciding game | ||
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I think that far worse than girls officiating for a team from their club is when they are officiating over a game that decides whether or not they go to the
Gold bracket. I have watched many matches where if the team on the court wins, they knock out the team that is officiating, and if they lose, the officiating
team goes to Gold. The reality is that it is not a great position to be in even for the most conscientious girls.
I really like JO's--the way the girls switch courts and ref different pools, and often different age divisions. |
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illvb |
good call | ||
DaveBowman wrote: What really bothers me is when we have a girl who is clearly not paying attention and the up ref goes with the call and then gives body
language like its the down crews call not theirs. I believe that a large majority of girls when paying attention will make the call they believe is correct
regardless of the teams involved. I would like to see more ups use the the crew as support. If they clearly saw the play they should make the
call.
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cg47ticonderoga |
yellow carding | ||
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Do you think that a player up reffing has the same authority to give a yellow/red card as a coach or official does? or should they not be making that kind of
decision?
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