So JVDA is good for some teams and not for other. But as for the driving part someone said 5 hours drive to a event. I would have to say big deal I know some high school teams at the first of the year who drive 12 to turnment and then 2 days later drive 12 hours back home. They do this for 3 weeks in a roll So for the driving part bunch of bull. They are making people pay to see there own kids to play that's lame. Dont you already pay out the butt for them to play for club. But now you have to pay see them play. I all so want to know do scouts pay to ? I know this is there first year and all but it was there choice to jump in feet first. So if they didnt have the money or the teams maybe they should have held off until they did. But there is alot of things I have been reading that sends off red flags and that's not good.
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 bigtexbro |
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Posts: 753 (03/24/08 8:57 AM) |
Pretty much all tournaments in our area charge admission. This is the norm, not a money making venture. The admission is charged to help defray the costs of
the facilities - none of which are free. I believe there was an earlier thread where teams in SCVA were complaining about the admission for their tourneys. And
wasn't there also a thread about admission to one or two of the qualifiers?
I know in the Badger Region, we couldn't charge until a few years ago - or supposedly couldn't, but I remember 10 years ago paying at certain venues a $2 charge to watch my daughter so I know this is nothing new. Most places now charge 2-3 to get in. And I was the one that mentioned the driving. Driving 5 hours is nothing, however when you add that to the cost of driving or flying to 2 other qualifiers and Omaha you are certainly adding the costs. When you have to do it 2 weekends in a row because daughters are in different age groups that play on different weekends, it gets to be quite expensive. And we are talking club here - not high school - and personally, though that is a totally differrent thread - driving 12 hours for high school tourneys 3 weekends in a row to me does not make sense! My main point was, it is saving money for our club girls in travel costs and time for our parents. This may not be true for all clubs out there but for ours - it is working so far. |
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Posts: 55 (03/24/08 9:28 AM) |
Bigtexbro- Being from a JVDA club, driving 6 or 7 hours is not the problem. If our club had to go to the Big South, that would be about a 13 hour drive. Too
much time on the road for me and my daughter. The cost to fly would be at least $200.00 per person. Now you might say, why go to the Big South when we have
the NL and MEQ within six hours. In the past, these Q's were extremely hard to get a bid, therefore we had to go farther away to increase our chances.
Not to mention, once you fly into the city, there will be the cost from airport to hotel. We normally did one of the two regional Q's and would fly to
another one. Add on the Qmaha President's day tournament ( we flew), things can get expensive.
I have a special place in my heart for the NQ's, this weekend will be a real test for me. The tournament in Wisconsin Dells, JVDA Showcase, is not starting off the way I wish it would. The play schedule has not been posted yet, and UA not being involved with JVDA, so far, has got me a little nervous. Everyone says to give things some time and things will work out, but my daughter (16) doesn't have much time to give. Like UA stated, the class of '09 and '10 will pay the price because of the split. I hope this will not come true. There is already some boiler room talk about next year jvda clubs entering in NQ's that are close to home. After all, it is all about the kids and getting the maxinum exposure. |
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Posts: 2492 (03/24/08 2:18 PM) |
Thats funny Because i havent paid to go see a team to play. But I have only gone to events in my area. But still I think each kid should get 2 passes free of
charge. That would be nice and do scouts have to pay to get in ? Do local tv and news paper reporters pay to get in ? There seems like there is something with
the money thing . But for the driving part I can understand what your saying. But we need to focus more on the kids and fix this.
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Posts: 753 (03/25/08 8:58 PM) |
 A reporter ? come on now - you must be from
somewhere else. We can barely get coverage for high school sports - and yes, press gets in free to those. We had a match this past fall that involved 2 teams
going for the conference championship and we had reporters walk in!!!!! Unfortuantely they were there to cover an incident involving one of the players that
had hit on a slow news day and should never have made the tv. The AD at the home school made them feel a bit stupid when he went up to them and thanked them
for coming to cover the championship He was awesome! Covering a club sport - no way!
If the parents would just have their girls finish a water or gatorade before paying for another one, the $2 or $3 admission would be taken care of. You would be amazed at the number I pick up after a tourney that are not opened, or barely started. I really don't think for a lot of the parents, the money is the issue. It is for some and for that I feel bad. |
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Posts: 2492 (03/26/08 12:14 AM) |
But why should parents pay more money? I am not trying to say it is to much to pay but why? But for reporters I have seen them there. I seen few last year at
lonestar. so what do you call scott from lonestar volleyball he is a reporter. So JT not a reporter he writes about the sport. I think the point I am trying to
make is if the 2 to 3 bucks not big deal to mom and dad then shouldnt be one for jvda not to charge it. I would think they made enough money to let the people
in for free. I all so remb lonestar in dallas last year I didnt have to pay to get in. I just had to go to site print out ticket. But I did have to pay for
parking.
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Posts: 129 (03/26/08 7:29 AM) |
sabervball wrote:In light of the JVDA's new proposal to change the qualifying process, I find your comment to very interesting. I think that a large number of clubs take the same approach of going to qualifiers that give them the best chance to qualify...even if that means traveling to a qualifier that is further away. In the JVDA's new proposal the the 9 qualifiers will become Zonal Events. You can only participate in your designated Zonal and will not be allowed to travel to any other Zonal. You can also get a bid through the Power League process or through an the "at large" process. If your club falls into the category of one that has to travel to a qualfier 13 hours away to a qualifier because at the closer qualifier your chances are less likely to get a bid, your are probably also not likely to win your Power League. Under the JVDA proposal you cannot travel to another Zonal and the new setup provides for very limited opportunities to play outside of your region (except for maybe a President's Day event). This decreases your chances for an "at large" bid. So my question is...how does your club benefit from belonging to the JVDA? |
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Posts: 753 (03/26/08 8:00 AM) |
To answer you question on how we benefit -I guess you could say, we don't totally know for sure, as a club, we just knew we needed to try something else
for our families. The direction we intend to take is there, all the details are not worked out, and at this time, we are kind of like USAV was not so many
years ago before everyone decided that flying here and there and everywhere (I just saw Seussical).
 was all important to qualifying.
I do know that our families are saving money so far. Well with gas prices they are probably not seeing a savings over last year but they are saving over what it would have been had we continued with the same schedule as last year. For us - the 1 1/2 hr drive to Aurora for GLPL - we were already doing it, the Dells is only a couple hours and we have everyone in the area - the biggest turnout ever - playing in the Badger Region Championships. This isn't the qualifer for the region, just a hosted tournament. With no qualifiers during this time frame for most of our top clubs, we are all(most of us) sending our top teams there for the first time. Couldn't really do that in the past because of qualifer scheduling around it. so our girls are still getting great competition, the college coaches are still seeing our players because our players are very proactive in that regard, and the parents and girls aren't spending anywhere near as much time traveling. We will all wait and see what the future brings. It is a shame that many clubs out there won't get the chance to play against the top teams in the midwest because many are the top teams in the nation, and that there is a split, but, the clubs here did what we thought we had to for our clubs, our girls and our families. |
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Posts: 981 (03/26/08 8:14 AM) |
bigtexbro wrote: So you don't pay to get in to High School games?
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Posts: 654 (03/26/08 8:37 AM) |
I don't know if this is typical, but our club fees are separate from our travel/tournament fees. So, our club fees are unchanged (about $700) which includes uniforms, warm up, practice gym time, coaching, position practices, and local tournaments (like Power League). Then we pay separately for travel tournaments. They take the total cost: hotels, tournament fees, lodging and meals for coaches (players need to get themselves to the tournament) and divide by the number of players. This year our total fee was $250 for four travel tournaments. Last year it was a little more - $400 (for three travel tournaments but about the same number of total nights because the qualifiers were three nights vs. the two for most of the JVDA tournaments) . The real savings for our family was the airfare vs. driving. We are driving to all the tournaments this year vs. last year, we flew to two tournaments. That was probably a family savings of $1200. A lot of this is because three of us go to the touraments (player, mom and dad). Honestly, I don't really care about the savings (I know that sounds bad). But, we only have one child and it is a lot easier for us. I do think that the proposed USAV open qualification process where you only got two bids per qualifier would have gotten brutal from a travel perspective. I know we would have scheduled three qualifiers, just to make sure (and we were a top five team last year at JOs and added new players this year making us even stronger - so please don't say we are a marginal team and shouldn't be in open anyway). That is a lot of school to miss. I tend to think that if USAV would have not proposed the new open qualifier process and instead expanded open to the top five teams per qualifier, the JVDA would not have boycotted. I also think that if they would have kept the field the same but said "only one open qualifier per team" and then seeded the qualifiers to divide up last year's powerhouse, the JVDA would not have boycotted. The JVDA has other concerns, but the open qualification proposal really sent them over the edge. Just my hypothesis. |
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