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coachemeritus	JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .	Lead	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 128 (05/22/08 7:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I've looked over the impressive list of teams / clubs attending - - - - - in reality, isn't the JVDA championships nothing more than a summer regional national qualifier? Looking at teams from other parts of the country attending, many if not most of those teams from top clubs are those teams who did not qualify for JOs. As I recall, the USFL also had a championship. Same for the old ABA and AHL. Diluting the mix doesn't hurt the elite, just the rest. Last Edited By: coachemeritus 05/22/08 7:16 PM. Edited 1 time.
groupguy		#1	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 81 (05/22/08 7:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If you want to call a tournament with the defending national champions (and consensus number one) in 18s and more Open-level teams at each age than any other qualifier (or perhaps combination of 2 qualifiers, or AAUs) that.... I think it's open to all comers this year in order to demonstrate the JVDA has the logistical ability to accomodate the kind of large field one would see at USAV nationals....
tmoe58		#2	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 16 (05/22/08 7:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The reason it's open to all comers is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
VolleyballFan13		#3	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 654 (05/22/08 8:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	coachemeritus wrote: I've looked over the impressive list of teams / clubs attending - - - - - in reality, isn't the JVDA championships nothing more than a summer regional national qualifier? A qualifier? I don't know that I would go to that extreme. Here is what will be missing from JOs this year (and those at JVDA). 18 Open Field: missing from this year's field are eight teams that finished in the top 16 in last year's 17 open field (50% of the top 16 teams in case someone needed help with the math) plus the SPVB 18 Elite team that won last year at 18 with a ton of 17s. Of the 8 in the top 16 last year, 5 of them were in the top eight (62.5%). 17 Open Field: missing from this field are six teams that finished in the top sixteen (37.5%) and two that were in the top eight in 16 Open last year (25%). 16 Open Field: missing from this year's field are five teams that finished in the top sixteen (31.3%) and three that were in the top eight in 15 Open last year (37.5%) 15 Open Field: missing from this year's field are five teams that finished in the top sixteen last year (31.3%) and three that were in the top eight in 14 Open last year (37.5%) 14 Open Field: missing from this year's field are six teams that finished in the top sixteen in 13 National last year (37.5%) and three that finished in the top eight in 13 National last year (37.5%). So a minimum of 30% of the top teams in an age group and a maximum of 63%, I would say it is better than the average qualifier.
JTawa		#4	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 13636 (05/22/08 8:23 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Personally, I don't give a crap which has a stronger field. I care that we cannot have one place where ALL the strongest teams play.
Noreaster	?	#5	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 248 (05/22/08 10:19 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	John, Why? I admit that may sound like a dumb question but I'm curious to hear your answer.
VBinCP		#6	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 336 (05/22/08 10:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think that the answer is obvious....separation in the sport just as it was in the 1860's of our nation, is not beneficial for anyone. It is unfortunate that this fracture had to take place. Those being effected the most are the kids. I have seen this in Softball where there are so many "championships" that each is nothing more than a regional title with the label "world series champion" attached. So many different organizations there, that was the main reason we chose to focus on this sport.
bluknight		#7	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 619 (05/23/08 5:27 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree with John and VBinCP. It seems that both sides are unwilling to compromise. JVDA wants this and USAV wants that etc. I would like to see some cooperation and I'm sure they've been down there before, but I feel a lot of those sticking points are a matter of self-control and exercising fiscal responsibility. Club Directors have a choice to do those things we piss and moan about already. Examples of these choices: Shortening the season Reducing cost Raising the level of participation at the Grass Roots Level
kiserrick	Dump Question?	#8	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 78 (05/23/08 12:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The reason it is a dumb question is that we have ALL been advocates of great competition and great Volleyball. How can anyone brag about being a National Champion this year. When my team won 18Club in 2006 there was no denying that we were National Champs because there were 47 other teams from across the nation that earned the right to fight for the title. EVERYONE wants to see the best teams square off for the REAL National Championship. I'm with John, I don't give a holy crap regarding which "so called" national championship is consider the best. All I know is that both them are tainted this year and deserve an *. No question, JDVA is doing a great job at whatever they think they are doing. USA Volleyball is doing a great job at whatever they think they are doing....I'm confident that there are kids in both organizations that are thriving and are happy.....If that is all that matters then things are just swell aren't they?
relativeyoungster	JVDA/USAV	#9	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 854 (05/23/08 3:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	bluknight wrote: I agree with John and VBinCP. It seems that both sides are unwilling to compromise. JVDA wants this and USAV wants that etc. My understanding was that the JVDA tried to work within the system prior to the formation of the JVDA... Heck, Z was director of the HP program, prior to becoming the president of the JVDA.... I'm pretty sure neither organization is 100% correct in their thinking....so compromise would be a solution. But the two sides are SSSSOOOOOOO far apart on some things, it may not be possible. Some of the things that the JVDA want have unintended consequences......less travel means that you play the same teams more often. Especially if you are located on one of the "edges" of the JVDA "sphere of influence".... At the same time, USAV's junior volleyball representation on the new board alignment doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy either.....quite the opposite. At the end of the day, everyone loses. The players don't get as much variety in opponents, and don't get to decide things on the floor. College coaches lose because it may either mean more travel or less # of players seen..... or both. this is also a whammy for the players who want to play in college, because you may not be seen by as many coaches. Does this mean the JVDA was wrong to start their movement? I don't necessary think so....their ideas and tournaments have been really thought provoking, with more change in a year than I've seen in the 7 previous years I was involved with USAV. The next two years will be telling. Will USAV allow the JVDA to continue to run tournaments with USAV insurance? and will they restrict them to avoid competition with qualifiers and JOs? How will the JVDA respond to this? How will the JVDA structure their year end tournament? Will any of the developmental programs the JVDA is advocating come to pass (Volleytots, facility development, power league development)? Can they make their plan a reality? Will USAV increase from 9 qualifiers to the planned 12? and reduce the # of open bids to 2? Do clubs get the other 3 qualifiers? Regions? Where are they? We're seeing two different visions of the future...which one will come to pass.....to quote an old song from my HS days......"Right here, right now, there is no other place I'd rather be..." These opinions are my own, and DO NOT represent either those of my club or the school where I coach....
Noreaster		#10	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 248 (05/23/08 11:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	VBinCP made 2 important contributions here. He's right, that youth softball and baseball do not have just one national championship. I'd suggest that college sports are in the same boat, not having just one championship (DI, II, III, NAIA I, II, JuCo I, II, III, NCCAA, USCAA and that doesn't count Canadian colleges). We can say we know who is the national champion is but do we? Who says the best golfer or fencer in the country isn't at an NAIA school or a JuCo? The US high jump coach a few years ago (maybe still) was at DIII Wheaton and had some of the top jumpers in the country going there to work with him. In volleyball, I think it was 1998 or 99 when Arizona's men's club team was like 60-2 with losses to US national champion BYU and Canadian National Champion Winnipeg (or Manitoba, whoever won up there). Who is to say they might not have faired better in a rematch with BYU for the title? Heck, even if we had everybody in one tournament, who can say with any certainty that the 2007 Volleyball Huskers were't the best volleyball team this past year, and they didn't even make the final four! VBinCP's second contribution was using the phrase "the kids" because that is really what this is all about and maybe the kids are being hurt, but I'm not clear on how. And this touches on kiserrick's point. Do you believe that the girls in Louisville are not going to play as hard to win as the girls in Dallas? Will the girls in Dallas not celebrate their championship without SPRI and KiVA there? Will their not be tears and hugs and pictures at the end of JO's, and JVDA's and Festival? If their isn't room for the JVDA, and festival and the invitational (which was only cut because nobody would play in June, after they moved it up) and 2 more end of the year "Championships" then tell me why there is room for National and American Divisions? If its all about the championship, then lets just have a championship and dump the sideshow. If National and American are ok because they are in the same place? Would the JVDA be more palatable if they were in the same facility as JO's? I didn't think that was the point, but hey, it would make recruiting easier. Or do we want to see these teams play because, as fans, we don't want to miss Northern Lights 16's vs. Fusion 16's, and SPRI 18's vs SCVC 18's? If so, I'm with you 100%, but that is about adults, not about the kids. For the record, I have nothing to do with the JVDA. I am, however, fascinated with the opposition to it and would love to get an answer as to why there is such sentiment.