JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyballFan13) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:11:13 GMT

the newest challenger wrote:
how many cities are 750 miles from all qualifiers?

Billings, MT seems about right. That should be fun in March and April.

I did the mapquest thing and the only city I could in the continential US was Key West. Even Billings, MT is within 750 miles of crossroads. So, Key West (assuming it is driving miles and not as the crow flies), Alaska and Hawaii. Not Maine, not...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (the newest challenger) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:18:26 GMT

how many cities are 750 miles from all qualifiers?

Billings, MT seems about right. That should be fun in March and April.

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (BeachVballBoy) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:29:36 GMT

It is true that USAV is not open to changing but the JDVA has their own agenda and does not want to change their beliefs either. So lets not make the USAV out as the only one that is set on their format.

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Mango) — Wed, 28 May 2008 21:49:29 GMT

Torami wrote:
I've been saying the JVDA teams chose to "Opt-out", because a boycott implies a temporary action, and I don't see the rift being bridged.

Agreed.

USAV didn't show flexibility in the past, so that tendency - trend will likely continue.

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Torami) — Wed, 28 May 2008 18:40:22 GMT

I've been saying the JVDA teams chose to "Opt-out", because a boycott implies a temporary action, and I don't see the rift being bridged.

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Star) — Wed, 28 May 2008 18:03:58 GMT

VolleyballFan13 wrote:

Star wrote:
We keep using the word "boycott" for those JVDA members that choose not to try to qualify for USAV Nationals. Can it be that with the intent of thier objectives they are just trying to show the public what they are asking USAV?

Star,

As a club that did not participate in...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Phaedrus) — Wed, 28 May 2008 16:47:28 GMT

relativeyoungster wrote:
It was within 750 miles of a qualifier, the weekend of the qualifier and two weeks before that weekend. but, with 12 qualifiers, this would knock out most of march and april.

all JVDA events sanctioned through the national office.

Must end 2 weeks prior to JOs beginning.

pay a 5% tariff. and provide $1,000,000 of insurance naming USAV as an insured party....

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (relativeyoungster) — Wed, 28 May 2008 15:15:17 GMT

It was within 750 miles of a qualifier, the weekend of the qualifier and two weeks before that weekend. but, with 12 qualifiers, this would knock out most of march and april.

all JVDA events sanctioned through the national office.

Must end 2 weeks prior to JOs beginning.

pay a 5% tariff. and provide $1,000,000 of insurance naming USAV as an insured party.

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyballFan13) — Wed, 28 May 2008 14:35:21 GMT

DaveBowman wrote:

Assuming this discussion is accurate, it appears the USAV can play the insurance angle to bring the JVDA to its knees. Can anyone explain to me what this insurance covers? Didn't we sign all kinds of waivers at registration? What would it cost per player to keep the JVDA insured?

I am not sure I understand either. I know one year we did AAU insurance instead of USAV or our...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (DaveBowman) — Wed, 28 May 2008 14:12:15 GMT

Assuming this discussion is accurate, it appears the USAV can play the insurance angle to bring the JVDA to its knees. Can anyone explain to me what this insurance covers? Didn't we sign all kinds of waivers at registration? What would it cost per player to keep the JVDA insured?

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (TRANSFORMEER) — Wed, 28 May 2008 13:02:42 GMT

Phaedrus wrote:

They are willing to sanction JVDA events with the following caveats:

No JVDA events within 750 miles of a qualifier. Remember that they are planning on expanding qualifiers to 12. And this restriction is not just for the weekend of the qualifier, it is for the season.

USAV gets a cut of the JVDA tournament proceeds to pay...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Phaedrus) — Wed, 28 May 2008 12:33:44 GMT

The proposal is very sketchy. BUT, the qualification process would involve getting points for playing and placing at certain sanctioned events, such as the JVDA schedule. You get differing amounts of points for finishing in the top whatever in the tournaments. You can also get points for playing in a power league etc. So this is seemingly what the JVDA wanted. But they were still locked into the 24 teams in Open.

They are willing to sanction JVDA events with the following...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyballFan13) — Wed, 28 May 2008 11:34:18 GMT

Phaedrus wrote:

I know they (JVDA folks) are not at all pleased with the response, in fact I would say that they feel pretty insulted but the USAV reaction wasn't unexpected given the hubris.

So, what exactly was the USAV "proposal"? And is there anything to rumor that USAV was no longer going to saction the JVDA events and therefore, the JVDA...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyballFan13) — Wed, 28 May 2008 11:16:05 GMT

Star wrote:
We keep using the word "boycott" for those JVDA members that choose not to try to qualify for USAV Nationals. Can it be that with the intent of thier objectives they are just trying to show the public what they are asking USAV?

Star,

As a club that did not participate in qualifiers, I am not offended by the word Boycott. It seems to sum it up to me. Aren't...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (relativeyoungster) — Wed, 28 May 2008 10:32:46 GMT

VolleyballFan13 wrote:
From what I understand, the USAV decided to play their trump card - either participate in the JO process or you no longer can be members of the USAV (we won't sanction your events, you can't get insurance through us, etc.)

I don't this is even enforcable. there are a LOT of clubs that don't participate in the JO process....not only those that end at festival, but also,...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Phaedrus) — Wed, 28 May 2008 09:42:15 GMT

VolleyballFan13 wrote:
So, Phaedrus, since you are the "fact" man, what exactly is going on? Is there any truth to all this rumor?

I know they (JVDA folks) are not at all pleased with the response, in fact I would say that they feel pretty insulted but the USAV reaction wasn't unexpected given the hubris.

I am not privy to their discussions amongst themselves as to a response, so I...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Star) — Wed, 28 May 2008 07:52:47 GMT

We keep using the word "boycott" for those JVDA members that choose not to try to qualify for USAV Nationals. Can it be that with the intent of thier objectives they are just trying to show the public what they are asking USAV?

If USAV starts putting restrictions on JVDA members rest assured by next year that more teams will decide to stay on one side of the fence. On the other hand I don't think that numbers will be the issue, but top to bottom quality of team maybe....

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyballFan13) — Wed, 28 May 2008 06:48:30 GMT

VolleyDon wrote:

It'd be great to get an actual factual report on the status of the situation. Are there any discussions between JDVA/USAV right now? Is the USAV planning any changes to the qualifying process? Is the JDVA planning on changing its format for next year? Is there any chance for a reconciliation?

In Phaedrus' post, you will notice a reference to USAV potentially changing its...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (Torami) — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:39:11 GMT

I don't know whether this is indicative of the real/full attitude of USAV about JVDA, but this is in the minutes USAV November '07 Executive Committee meeting.

a. The Commission had a lengthy discussion about continuing to improve the look and the
appeal of the championship events. The competition from groups such as the JVDA and
AAU has made USAV look at its events more closely. The CEC supports the staff
request for additional funds to "dress" the...

Re: JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyDon) — Tue, 27 May 2008 16:49:15 GMT

I second VolleyDad9's question. Phaedrus' excellent post is the first I've read of anything remotely related to the actual facts of what is going on right now between the JVDA and USAV since the split was announced before the season.

All we've been reading about here are various opinions on the issue and I think everyone's tired of the same old opinions. It'd be great to get an actual factual report on the status of the situation. Are there any discussions...

JVDA Championships - In Reality . . .

feeds@yuku.com (coachemeritus) — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:14:04 GMT

I've looked over the impressive list of teams / clubs attending - - - - - in reality, isn't the JVDA championships nothing more than a summer regional national qualifier? Looking at teams from other parts of the country attending, many if not most of those teams from top clubs are those teams who did not qualify for JOs.

As I recall, the USFL also had a championship....