Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyDad9) — Wed, 14 May 2008 11:31:51 GMT

Nice list Shooter! Good luck in the Big D!

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (vbshooter) — Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21:58 GMT

Top Ten Reasons for Going to JO's (even if it's only a National or American bid), one player's view

Now, my lack of understanding may come from that it is universally...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (bdaygirl) — Tue, 13 May 2008 17:37:42 GMT

You have a one in 160 chance of winning a professional golf tournament and a one in 16,000 chance of winning the US amateur tournament. But even if an amateur golfer could get into a pro tournament I think s/he would have a better time playing among amateurs.

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (Vintense) — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:36:06 GMT

Thanks GopherVB, I was planning on reviewing all the bid lists once USAV has them all posted, now I will take it a step further and look at the the Qualifiers finishes to see if things fall into place once the "regular" season is complete.

The only direct perspective I have is in the OVR 14's where NKYVC Tsunami (a very strong team) which had competed in two Open Qualifiers (MEQ 10th and NL 4th) almost only ended up with an American Bid from the Regional Qualifer...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (GopherVBfan) — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:13:40 GMT

Granted, it is not easy to finish 1 or 2 in the club division of a national qualifier but the teams in the open division are almost always stronger teams. The easiest way to tell is look who wins the regional qualifier national bids. If an open team hasn't qualified for open in a national qualifier, they usually then play in their regional qualifier. Look to see who wins the national bid. It is often a team that has been playing in open division.

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (Vintense) — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:06:30 GMT

Thanks GopherVBfan for clarification. Now to upset the apple cart I would like to present the following observation and invite the veterans to educate on why their is a separation between Open and National and not just head to head competition for one championship to let the cream rise to the top.

Open Bid (Limited top tier National Teams)

UNLIMITED FUNDS AND TIME
3 chances at each of 9 qualifiers 27
1 At large chances + 1
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Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (GopherVBfan) — Tue, 13 May 2008 08:02:26 GMT

One point to add to all of this discussion is that the allocation process for giving out National and American bids is completely different (see attachment). There is one National bid given out to each of the 40 regions plus one at each national qualifier (40+9 for 49). The regional bids technically aren't guaranteed and that allows the number to end up at 48. The American bids are given out based upon volleyball participation numbers in each region (along with one for each...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyDad9) — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:08:23 GMT
Lone Star also originally ruled that you could not enter Regionals if you already had a bid of any kind, but several days before that allowed those with American bids to try to improve their lot. I do not know if any bettered their bid and/or if any kept any others from qualifying. I am thinking probably not...would have probably been a whole topic with thousands of posts on just that...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (VolleyDad9) — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:03:56 GMT
At the PNQ on 3/23, NorCal takes Natl bid.
At the SCQ on 3/30, SG Elite takes Natl, SCVC takes Amer
At the FWQ on 4/27, SG Elite takes Open bid, their original Natl bid trickles back improving SCVC from Amer to Natl

Seems like it is set up to where your bid can improve from American to National, but not from almost to American.

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (vbshooter) — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:45:59 GMT

Don't know why the American bid doesn't trickle, but it's a USAV rule per the Qualifier Manual (see below). It may have something to do with limiting the number of earned Club bids at each Qualifier to a maximum of two.

It's not clear whether or not the team holding the American bid from the original Qualifier has to accept the now vacant and available National bid. It seems not.

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (lifeonthesidelines) — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:26:28 GMT
I always thought that bids only trickled down if one of the winning teams had a pre-existing bid and that it did not matter if they got a higher bid later, that their bid went to allocation, not the lower bid and a trickle. It would seem like that is going backwards and that it would happen a lot. Many teams get higher bids later in the season but I was not aware they went back to the first NQ and awarded the bid to another team. If this is in fact the case, then why not have the American bid...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (vbshooter) — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:19:36 GMT
From the USAV qualifier results link: http://www.usavolleyball.org/media/juniors/08GJO/08QResults/15C-SCQ.pdf

SG Elite earned a National bid at the SCVA JNQ, and subsequently earned an Open bid at Far Western JNQ. The SCVA National bid trickled to SCVC. SCVCs SCVA JNQ American bid went to the reallocation pool.

One reason why some regions don't allow their already...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (lifeonthesidelines) — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:03:11 GMT

VolleyDad9 wrote:
Not sure where you are seeing qualified American, but the order of finish at the SC Qualifier was SG Elite, Nor Cal and then SCVC finished 3rd. SG Elite has an Open bid from Far Western and Nor Cal already earned a National at the PNQ, therefore SCVC gets the National from the SCQ.

I suppose I could look this up but which one of the bids did SG Elite get...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (bdaygirl) — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:51:55 GMT
How can any region justify forcing a team to play American if they could eventually obtain a National bid? The only reason I can imagine, which is not justifiable, is for the money.

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (CDBVB) — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:23:12 GMT
To volleyball dad:
I am seeing my information at SCVC website. Girls / Events / Jr Nat. Qual.
Then scroll all the way down to the boxes at the bottom: Session #1 Qualified Teams.

When I open up that box, I see in the LA Qualifier that SG Elite accepted a national bid. NorCal already had a bid, and SCVC-Nike accepted an American bid.
So I think what you are telling me is that SG Elite decided not to accept the National bid (at some point in time) because they already...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (expertidiot) — Mon, 12 May 2008 07:20:52 GMT
Wow. Even at 12's or 13's, where the National division is the highest level at Nationals?

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (NYvbc) — Mon, 12 May 2008 07:00:55 GMT
Garden Empire region also has the rule...

Re: Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (spectatortot) — Mon, 12 May 2008 06:48:37 GMT
North Texas region has this rule. Once you earn an American bid at a qualifier, you are not allowed to compete in the Regional tournament to try to obtain a National bid.

Differences in National/American

feeds@yuku.com (cruisinkitkat) — Fri, 09 May 2008 09:22:14 GMT
Hi All,

I am new to all this volleyball stuff, my daughters team got a regional bid to JO's. They are in the American catagory. Can someone please explain all the differences between, Open, National and American? Sorry if this seems silly, but I just don't know the differences. I am just happy for her to go to JO's and want her to just enjoy the experience and have a good time.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Kathy