A question about reffing

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (MervinSwerved) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:19:40 GMT

While down reffing, I asked (and received) for a yellow card on one of the coaches. It was a situation where he was berating the R1 and, being a former official myself, I handled it as I would were I a working professional. I asked him to calm down and reminded him to address me rather than the R1. Between games, he came up to me grabbed my shoulder from behind to get my attention, then went off on me. I immediately turned to the R1, pantomimed reaching for a card, and she immediately awarded...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (PlayaPlease) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:30:31 GMT

Boy, I can't say I've ever seen a player/ref issue a sanction of any kind. It would be pretty interesting. Can't say that I believe they shouldn't be able to. Some coach would exploit that rule somewhere.

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (texasvblover) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:40:18 GMT

there have been several tournaments that my team has been to this season where one of the players is the up ref. mind you this is 15's! I as a coach would never want to put the responsibility of being an up ref on my kids. I know that I have been to a ref clinic and am certified to officiate, but I wonder if these kids have been to a clinic? it annoys me to becasue the only way my kids are going to get better is for their mistakes to be called such as lifts, doubles, etc and that does...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (volleysisters) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:14:04 GMT

IF THE COACH IS AROUND. There have been some truly ugly situations that could have been avoided if the coach was on deck and paying attention to their players during the reffing assignments. The coach should be actively engaged in the match as well, to protect their players from harsh comments from out of line spectators by making sure their girls are paying attention and being respectful. In big matches when a bid is on the line or a tournament semi or final, the coach should be in the down...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (cg47ticonderoga) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:53:21 GMT

Do you think that a player up reffing has the same authority to give a yellow/red card as a coach or official does? or should they not be making that kind of decision?

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (illvb) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:06:24 GMT

DaveBowman wrote:

99.99% of the girls on ref'n duty fall into two catagories. Those that want to do a good job and those that are not paying attention. Either case, the up ref sees all and should use the down crew as a support not as a democracy.

What really bothers me is when we have a girl who is clearly not paying attention and the up ref goes...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (lifeonthesidelines) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:41:24 GMT

I think that far worse than girls officiating for a team from their club is when they are officiating over a game that decides whether or not they go to the Gold bracket. I have watched many matches where if the team on the court wins, they knock out the team that is officiating, and if they lose, the officiating team goes to Gold. The reality is that it is not a great position to be in even for the most conscientious girls.

I really like JO's--the way the girls switch courts...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (ugopher) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:25:21 GMT

I always thought one of positive aspects of JO volleyball is that players do have to ref. It gives them a whole 'nother perspective of the game and how to treat officials with respect. As a coach, I have stressed that players give their best effort while officiating and scorekeeping and to pay attention. I ask them how they would feel if they didn't receive the benefit of a call because the line judge was more interested in what they would be doing after the match than officiating the...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (MyNameHere) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:24:31 GMT

My point is that even though there is protocol established by the region how reffing duties are done at these region tournaments, exceptions need to be considered when multiple teams of the same club are entered for purposes of being impartial.

I doubt that will work in most cases. Ad hoc changes to officiating assignments aren't easy or desirable, especially for the tournament director. Changes like these require...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (spikeattack) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:23:03 GMT

I heard of a situation occuring a couple of months ago that concerned me. Two teams in 14s playing each other and another 14s team from the same club doing the reffing duties. The word was that the girl working one of the lines had to make a close call. She made her call and upon eye contact and possibly some gesture from the coach of the same club, changed her decision. A parent from the other team picked up on it and made some choice comments to that girl. The assistant coach got very...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (vb15fan) — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:58:16 GMT

I don't think this exists unless you have paid refs. I would rather have a team from the same club than the usual situation of having the team you just beat at the end of a long day have to stay and ref your championship match. The line judges just want to go home and aren't exactly happy about losing to your team - I have seen some major indifference in this category both in line calls and accurate scorekeeping.

I don't care where the reffing team comes from as long...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (Old Coach) — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:44:19 GMT

It is normal. It has happened for years. Have some faith in our youth. Look at things from another perspective. Are there MORE calls being made that you don't normally agree with? Let's face it; as a spectator and a fan and even as a coach or player it is very easy to play the blame game and look for reasons your team is getting called. The fact of the matter is, these kids and coaches do their jobs fairly when asked to ref. It may not always be done competently but I would say...

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (DaveBowman) — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:36:31 GMT

99.99% of the girls on ref'n duty fall into two catagories. Those that want to do a good job and those that are not paying attention. Either case, the up ref sees all and should use the down crew as a support not as a democracy.

Re: A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (nakedcrayon) — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:17:19 GMT

We almost had this happen yesterday in gold bracket play. The team that was supposed to stay and ref literally ran from the building to avoid there reffing assignment. The directors were able to get another team to fill the spot since they were waiting for a bracket match on a court over. Then at last minute they were called to play on their court so directors got concession workers to fill in. Our 2nd team was leaving its court and I honestly felt unconfortable when they were asked to...

A question about reffing

feeds@yuku.com (VBDad0927) — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:29:42 GMT

Quite often in league play as well as tournaments we run across what I think is a major conflict of interest. Although I feel it may not be avoidable I feel it needs to be looked at during major tournaments. I'm speaking of having a team from a club responsible for ref duties when another team from their club is involved in the match. We all know about the "home field advantage" but is this situation fair? Could it be avoided? What are your opinions?